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First impressions Although both versions of the boat are similar in appearance, there are some notable differences, especially below the waterline. Both boats have a modest sheerline with fairly long overhangs, at least by today's standards. The LOA of the MK I is 34 feet, 7 inches and the LWL is 27 feet, 6 inches, revealing an overhang ratio of about 20 percent. The hull has a bit of flare forward and a springy stern with a slightly reversed transom. The underwater sections show rounded bilge sections, and although the boat was considered flat and beamy in its day, it seems softer to modern eyes. The cabintrunk on the MK I featured a distinctive spray dodger molding. The MK II replaced this molding with a slight rise in the trunk. The MK I has a single long portlight in the saloon while the MK II has two smaller ones. Below the water, the MK I has a swept-back shark fin keel shape and an odd scimitar-shaped spade rudder trailing aft. The shape of this rudder, designed to keep the leading edge in turbulence-free water, was changed to a more balanced, freestanding blade on the MK II. The aft sections were also changed, flattened a bit, to take advantage of the IOR rule. The ballast was increased by 600 pounds in the MK II and the sail area increased by 50 square feet. Interior modifications combined to add nearly 30 percent to the displacement. Although the MK II has a more modern hull shape, and an LWL 2 feet, 9 inches longer, 35 owners who still race the boat prefer the performance of the lighter MK I.

Construction The 35 predates C&C's extensive production of cored hulls, and the hull is made of relatively thick, solid, hand-laid-up fiberglass. However, the deck is composite with a balsa core. The hull and deck are joined on a standard flange and bonded chemically and mechanically. The overall construction is typical of the time, fairly heavy and not overly sophisticated. It is always interesting to read old reviews of the 35. Writers in the early 1970s considered the 10,500-pound 35 MK I to be almost radically light. Bulkheads are securely glassed in place as is most of the interior infrastructure. Some secondary bondings have not held up well, but that's a sign of age more than a problem with the original construction. The keel is externally fastened with stainless fasteners, and the rudder stock is also stainless steel. The rudder is foam and fiberglass. Transverse floors are constructed of glassed-over plywood and can be subject to delamination. C&C's finish work was high quality, although the extensive use of Formica definitely dates the boat.

What to look for The first thing to remember is that most C&C 35s are 30 years old. It is remarkable, really, how well the boats have aged, especially because almost all 350s have been raced hard at some point during their lives. When you begin inspecting boats on the used market, look for a 35 with a new engine. The original power plant was the well-loved and much maligned Universal Atomic 4. This venerable gas engine is reliable and cheap to repair or replace; still, I'd look for a boat with a retrofitted diesel, an upgrade that doesn't seem to drastically alter the asking price. Late in the production run some MK II models were fitted with small Westerbeke diesels, which many owners have repowered over the years. Leaks are a common ailment in most 35s, particularly at the hull-and-deck joint and around the portlights. Bedding compound that has lost resiliency primarily causes these leaks. Remember that, while it is a straightforward task to rebed the ports, curing a chronic leak in the hull-and-deck joint is more challenging. Also, check the keel bolts, as some owners noted that iron washers were used, which of course, have likely rusted and will need to be replaced. While in the bilge, look closely at the floors for signs of cracks, rot or delamination. The main bulkhead also needs close examination: Check to see if the bonding is fractured. Naturally check all the age-related items, especially old seacocks, hose clamps and other below-the-waterline fittings.

On deck The cockpits of the MK I and MK II have a few differences to be aware of. The MK I features a cockpit traveler just forward of the helm, effectively creating separate steering and trimming stations. On the MK II the traveler was moved forward, usually above the companionway. The MK II has a substantial bridgedeck, a nice safety feature, while the MK I has a low-cut companionway with just a small sill, making it necessary to keep the bottom washboard in place in wet conditions. Both cockpits have a low coaming that hits you right smack in the small of your back, so seat cushions are a big help. Also, the helm station is well aft, effectively leaving the helmsman exposed to the elements, although the low-profile cabintrunk does provide good visibility from the cockpit, especially looking to leeward past a big genny. The side decks are fairly wide, considering the overall beam is just 10 feet, 7 inches. The chainplates are located well inboard, as are the headsail tracks, allowing for narrow sheeting angles. Original deck hardware has likely been updated by now, although some boats have been maintained in near original condition, a testament to the overall high quality of the boat. The original nonskid surface is most likely well worn by now, and it is also possible that the decks and cabintrunk have been painted. Many owners used a one-part paint that does not hold up very well and may be peeling; this was the case on both boats I looked at in South Florida. There were different sailplans for each model. The MK II had a tall rig option and many owners opted for a slightly shorter boom.

Down below The interior plan is nearly identical in both models. After stepping below, there is a small chart table to port. The navigator sits on the foot of the quarter berth, a typical arrangement. A small U-shaped galley is to starboard. A two-burner alcohol stove was standard, although it's probable this has been updated. If a propane stove has been installed, be sure to check the system carefully. Sometimes the gas bottle is placed in the cockpit locker, which is not sealed and definitely not safe. A single sink near the centerline faces aft and drains on either tack. The icebox compartment is rather small and will need better insulation to be efficient if upgrading to refrigeration. For short cruises the galley is more than adequate as there is plenty of storage and decent counter space. Incidentally, this arrangement is reversed on the MK II; the galley is to port and the nav desk and quarter berth to starboard. The saloon includes a dinette to port with a settee opposite. I like a dinette arrangement because it keeps the cabin sole clear without having to fold a table up and out of the way. My kids always spend a lot of time around the dinette table when we're under way. The shallow bilge does not allow room for tanks, which were located under the settee and quarter berth on the two boats I looked at. The cabin sole is molded fiberglass, practical and a bit sterile. The head is actually spacious for a 1970's vintage boat with a vanity and wash basin. There are two hanging lockers opposite, which I find a curious use of space. I guess you needed more room for blue blazers back in those days. The double V-berth is long and comfortable, and the cabin is lined with shelves and has lockers underneath the bunks and drawers below.

Engine As noted earlier, the original engine was an Atomic 4, 30-horsepower gas auxiliary. These engines, which were first built in 1947, were installed in almost every boat under 40 feet until the mid-1970s. And, those that haven't been replaced are usually still running. They are pretty simple really, just keep the plugs, distributor and rotor clean, have a decent set of points, add gas and air and the thing will run and run. However, the Atomic 4 doesn't have enough umph to push the C&C 35 into a chop, and gasoline engines are dangerous. Late model MK IIs were offered with the option of a 15-horsepower Westerbeke diesel. Owners who have repowered more recently often have chosen the Yanmar 3GM series engines, or the 25-horsepower Universal diesel that has the same footprint as the Atomic 4.

Under way The reason for buying an older C&C 35 is simple: It's for the sailing. These boats sail beautifully. Whether you are out for an afternoon, club racing under PHRF, pushing the boat in the Bermuda Race or just cruising, the 35 impresses with its performance and handling. By the way, in the 1997 Annapolis to Newport Race, a 1971 MK I finished third overall. Both models are easily driven in light air, although the lighter MK I is faster. However, reaching or running in a good breeze, the MK I, with its scimitar-shaped rudder can be a handful and intriguing broaches are not unknown. The MK II is a bit stiffer, and with a more conventional rudder, easier to handle off the wind. Both models are close-winded and few owners report excessive weather helm. The nature of the rig calls for flying overlapping genoas, which by design can load up the helm. Steve Purdy, who has sailed his 1973 MK I from Virginia to Nova Scotia, sums up the 35's performance like this: "easy to handle and comfortable for two to cruise, but still fast enough to enjoy racing and to be competitive." Not a bad combination for any boat.

Conclusion The C&C 35 is an enduring favorite on the used boat market. It is a handsome, high-quality, fine-sailing boat with a proud pedigree that can be purchased for less than $35,000. Maybe that's why many sailors consider the 35 to be a classic.

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Cuthbertson and Cassian designed and built 351 hulls of the C&C; 35 in the 1960s and 70s. The Mark I and Mark II series (pre-1975) are usually available in good shape for an average price of $30,000. The Mark II usually rates lower than the Mark I, but depending on local fleet, the Mark I could be either an A- or B-fleet boat. A crew of five or six is required to race the boat, which sails best to its PHRF rating in medium air. If you’d prefer not owning a boat with a gasoline engine, you’ll want to replace the Atomic 4 engine with a diesel, which will cost about $5,000. A new set of racing sails should cost as much as $10,500. A new racing bottom could cost $3,000.

C&C; 35 http://www.candc35.org Typical monthly costs: $874 Annual budget range: $2,000 to $10,000 PHRF 120-132 LOA 34’7″ LWL 27’6″ Beam 10’7″ Draft 5’3″ Disp. 10,500 lbs. SA 575.5 sq. ft.

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C&C Yachts was formed in 1969, when Canadian boat builders Belleville Marine Yard, Hinterhoeller Ltd. and Bruckmann Manufacturing joined forces with the design firm of Cuthbertson & Cassian Ltd. New capital was raised through a stock offering on the Toronto Stock Exchange. Although Ian Morch of Belleville Marine Yard was the first president, he resigned in 1971 taking the Belleville assets with him. George Hinterhoeller was then named president. Later, in an interview, Hinterhoeller states that he accepted this postition reluctantly. He resigned in 1973, and was replaced by Geroge Cuthbertson who continued in that role until 1981. C&C Yachts quickly established a reputation as a builder of high quality sailing yachts that were also successful on the race course. From it’s inception, as its first models were displayed at various boat shows in the US and Canada, the company sold as many boats as it could produce. In addition, a steep duty imposed by the Canadian government had also made them relatively affordable in the Canadian market. After weighing different options for expansion, the company decided to open a new plant in Rhode Island.(1976) In doing so, it benefited from very favorable financial terms offered by the Rhode Island Port Authority and Economic Development Corporation. In addition, plans were made to open another plant in Keil, Germany. This was also due to an offer of special, low interest loans. Throughout the late 1970’s and early 1980’s, C&C continued to develop and build new models, all of which were well received. Their revamped racing program brought the brand additional renown. But also during this time, a long, slow financial decline had begun. In 1976, George Hinterhoeller sold out and went back to boat building on his own. A plant at Kiel Germany closed in a few short years after incurring enormous losses. This and other factors were caused, in part, by a dramatic downward slide in the value of the American and Canadian dollar. An added factor was the gradual loss of the original personnel. The death of George Cassian in 1979, one of the driving forces of the company was a major loss. Geroge Cuthberson left the company in 1982. Finally, after the plant in Rhode Island closed, the last of the original partners, Eric Bruckman, head of the C&C custom shop, also moved on. By 1985, C&C yachts was left with a single plant at Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ont. From this time on, a long series of changes of ownership and various financial manipulations were to take place. By 1990, no new ownership, or source of financing could be found and the company went into receivership. For the first time in its history, C&C failed to exhibit at the Toronto International Boat Show. In 1992, there was a temporary reprieve. C&C was sold to Hong Kong based shipping magnates, Anthony Koo and Frank Chow. The name was changed to C&C Yachts International. By 1994, the factory was operating to capacity building a new 51, the the Tripp designed IMS 45 as well as the SR range of sport boats, designed by Glenn Henderson and originally built in Florida. But then, in the same year, a fire broke out in the factory, completely destroying most of the tooling and the boats currently under construction. Insurance only provided a small portion of the losses. In 1996, the factory closed, and the land, tooling and trademark were sold. Just a year later, a joint venture was been formed with another defunct builder, Tartan Marine, to build a new line of C&C yachts. These new models included the C&C 99, 110, and 115 which were well received and sold relatively well. In September 2013, US Watercraft announced that it had bought the rights to the C&C brand from Tartan. US Watercraft entered receivership in July 2017 and ceased all operations by the summer of 2018.

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If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of C&C 35-2. Built by C&C Yachts and designed by C&C Design, the boat was first built in 1973. It has a hull type of Fin w/spade rudder and LOA is 10.82. Its sail area/displacement ratio 17.56. Its auxiliary power tank, manufactured by undefined, runs on undefined.

C&C 35-2 has retained its value as a result of superior building, a solid reputation, and a devoted owner base. Read on to find out more about C&C 35-2 and decide if it is a fit for your boating needs.

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C&C 35-2 was first built in 1973.

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I was reading old posts (2008) and saw this comment about C&C 34 vs 35: 12-09-2008 FWIW, the C&C 35 Marks I or II are twice the boat the 34 is... better made, stiffer and faster... I am fairly new to sailing, and looking to get my first boat. I am in North Carolina. I will be doing mostly day sailing and weekend coastal cruising for the next several years. In my general vicinity, there are several C&C boats for sale. I'm attracted them based on their performance stats and reports of quality build, as well as aesthetics. The boats are a '75 33 MKI, '79 34, and a '82 Landfall 35. The 33 seems like it would be a good performer (not looking to club race, but of course would enjoy coaxing out as much speed as possible), and the Landfall seems like the cabin would be a little more accommodating but not as performance oriented. I'm balancing my desire to enjoy the speed and fun of sailing and pushing this level boat, but also would appreciate moderate comforts when I have guests, or decide to slow down and enjoy a trip to the islands, etc. In light of comment above from an older post, was wondering if others had any other insights or experience/recommendations? All boats seem fairly well maintained, relatively equally equipped, and similar price range - $17K-$22K. Thanks in advance for any insights. Randy  

I've owned two C&C's and have sailed on many others. IMHO, all were well built and some sail better than others. You can look at reviews right on this site under Resources, and then C&C of owners telling of the good and the bad of each model. Also check out the THE C&C PHOTO ALBUM & RESOURCE CENTER for more information.  

The 33 will be the most tender from my research, the the 34 and finally the 35 should be the least tender (tender meaning that it will lean more to a given amount of wind) as it is there cruising hull. The 34 should be the fastest with the 33 and 35 coming in some bit slower, but not a lot. Some of the 35 landfall have a layout with the salon forward in the V and have a huge v shaped settee that makes into a giant bed, and a double quarter birth. Really nice layout for a cruising couple but not necessary a family. I like the layout, but not everyone does. Keep in mind the 35 has a cored hull, and the 34 might as well. This is not necessarily bad, but will require a careful survey. Also rod rigging is long lasting, but do not show much in the way of deterioration, so may need to be replaced.  

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The C&C 34 is definitely a cored hull, the 33 probably not, the LF35 likely is as MP indicated. Unless you're planning on doing a fair bit of weekending/overnighting and summer cruising I think the LF 35 would be more than you want/need. Also as MP mentioned, the LF layouts are a 'love'em or hate'em' kind of thing. You'd need to check it out in person. Of the three mentioned the 34 is probably the nicest mix of performance and accommodation, though they are known to be tender and apparently had trouble sailing to their ratings (my recollection of sailing a 33mk1 was not of a tender boat, but IIRC there wasn't a lot of wind that day) If not racing then rating vs performance is not an issue. The LF 35 is certainly the 'cruisiest' of the lot.. but might have the better cockpit too.  

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Faster said: The C&C 34 is definitely a cored hull, the 33 probably not, the LF35 likely is as MP indicated. Click to expand...

Thanks to all for replies so far. sailors - yes, I did read all the reviews I could find for each of the boats, as well as watching videos on Youtube, reading specs, etc. My reason for posting this question was to hopefully get input from people who had experience on two or more boats for direct comparisons, rather than just reading reviews of each individually and me extrapolating comparisons. miatapaul - Appreciate the comparison - as above, that's what I was hoping for. I believe this 35 has the V-berth forward, but after reading the above replies, that one is on the bottom of my list. Faster - thanks also - the 34 is on the top of my list. My only hesitation now - as I mentioned, I'm in North Carolina, and from what I can tell, shoal drafts are preferred, and the 6' listed draft for the 34 seems like the outside edge of what would be comfortable around here. Any additional thoughts on that? And now, to throw a wrench in it all, I just saw that there is an Irwin Citation 34 in my town. Of course, I've done all the same reading - reviews, Youtube, specs, etc. Hopefully will get a reply to go see it soon. So, any thoughts on the Irwin 34 versus the C&C 33 and 34? The Irwin seems to have a more comfortable cabin, and while it may not perform quite as well, seems like reviewers are generally pleased overall, stating it performs better downwind, and doesn't point quite as well as others. Ultimately I'll take the top contenders out and do the in-person check out and even survey, but the C&Cs are 6-10 hours away by car, so trying to be as thorough as possible up front to make informed decisions about what I want to invest in for in-person review. Thanks again for all the input.  

I believe there are quite a few satisfied, happy Irwin owners here on SN.. given the location it's definitely worth a look. A bit more 'sedate' looking than the C&Cs in general.. but I think they're decent boats. No personal experience with them though.  

kwaltersmi - yep, I read that review - wish I could get that level of detail for every boat that I wanted to explore! Faster - that seems to be my impression about Irwins - adequate, satisfying, good all around. I agree though, I do like the lines of the C&C compared to the Irwin. I'll get to check out the Irwin tomorrow. Proximity, and listed cost at about $6K less, with new standing/running rigging, etc etc is certainly weighing in favor of the Irwin.  

Yes, Irwins seem to be kind of hit or miss on quality. There seemed to be times that the construction got kind of wonky. But if it is a good one they are by all accounts very solid tanks, but quite a bit slower than a C&C. Best thing is to try to get out on as many boats as you can. See if you can get out on a cruising tank to see if you would be frustrated by it's performance, and try to crew on some race boats. Some folks are quite happy and prefer a stable slower cruising boat even for day sails. There are two numbers I think are useful for comparing boats PHRF rating and sail area to displacement ratio. PHRF rating can give a good indication as to the general performance. A boat that has a higher rating will tend to be more cruise oriented, while lower ones will be more performance oriented in general. So if you are looking at a 35 foot boat that rates 95 (making up hypothetical numbers) vs one that rates 195 the one that is 195 will take a hundred more seconds to cover an average course mile. At least in theory it is likely be more stable but not always. But it generally gives a good idea as to performance. http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content...Current Base Handicap Class Hi Lo Average.pdf C&C 33 150 C&C 34 144 C&C 35 LANDFALL 156 So they are all in the same vicinity. Irwin 34 range from 162 to 174. So they are a bit behind, but not too bad, though the center board version is getting up there. But on the other hand it is a sailboat, so who cares it is not like you are going to be going over mid 6 knots at best anyway. Get on them and see what you like and don't like about them. The other number worth noting is the SA/Displacement ratio. It will give an idea of light wind performance. This can be very important if you live someplace that often has light winds such as Long Island Sound and the Chesapeake. Sail Calculator Pro v3.54 - 2800+ boats C&C 33 17.95 C&C 34 17.7 C&C 35 LANDFALL 14.88 (Other sources give it a 15.01) Irwin 34 16.9 So they are all in line with the exception of the landfall, but I am not sure that number is correct. Generally anything over say 16% should give decent light wind performance. There are lots of other numbers that can be looked at, but mostly for specific purposes such as offshore work. Such as capsize ratio but for weekending and coastal sailing it is not as important as finding a boat you will be happy with it's performance. But if you see an ad for a boat you are not familiar with I would suggest looking at the above numbers, and then look on Sailboatdata.com and take a look at the line drawings. That will give you an idea if it is something you want to look at. One other thing if you are going to be spending weekends on the boat don't discount the level of comfort below. If you have a significant other that you want to participate this can be critical if you don't want to find yourself alone out there!  

Silver; Good topic. I own a C&C 35-1, and race in a fleet that includes a 34, a 33-1, a 33-2, and a number of 25-30 foot C&C's. In the 90's, this particular 33-1 won everything there was to win on Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. It was a real racing program, with top sails and superb crew. Fast, stable and fun to sail. the 34 seems to struggle in the fleet, but is a family cruising boat, sporting a stack-pak, davits, etc. my 35-1 is a top contender, and has cruised my family of 6 in weather I shudder to think about. All this is to say that C&C boats of the size and vintage you're looking at are top-quality performance cruisers. You seem to have a good idea about what you want and what you need. Make a little matrix of the things that are most important to you, and get on the boats. the layout will likely be the deciding factor, both cockpit and cabin, for your intended purposes. You can't go too far wrong with a C&C, IMHO. Good luck. Andy  

As you can see.. C&C enjoys a lot of owner/brand loyalty. From (IMO) a fit-and-finish perspective in this range I'd include a CS 33 and 36T as well.. if you can find one. They'll be a bit more money perhaps but worth a comparison look...  

I have never seen a CS 33/36 T in person (that I am aware of) but they seem to be really nice. They do tend to hold there value though. If I found one in my budget they likely would be on the top of my list of boats to see.  

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Raced my C&C 35/3 from Annapolis to bermuda. The 34 is similar, the Landfall is the cruising line. Lots of LF38s, the 35 is fairly rare. I'd sail a C&C almost anywhere, and get there a lot faster than most cruisers. Joel  

Thanks to all for all the information, personal experiences, and tips. Thanks for the PHRF comparison. I had been using sail area/displacement figures, and have read about the PHRF ratings but I guess just kind of dismissed the latter since I never planned to race. Your discussion helped and I will also use that as a comparison point. It is good to see that all of these boats are in the same general area, but I think I'm leaning towards a C&C if I can find one in good shape relatively nearby. More to follow.....  

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Silver, I would think that getting a boat with a draft deeper then 5 feet in NC waters is unwise as it will keep you away from a lot of beautiful spots and safe anchorages. And the constantly shifting shoals in various inlets and tight spots will only add to your worries.  

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Hey, I used to race on a 1980 C&C 34, currently race on an 88 C&C 35, and own a 2002 C&C 110. Yes, I like C&C boats. PHRF ratings are a good way to compare the performance of various boats. But don't get hung up on absolute numbers so much. You need top notch gear and dedication to make the boat sail to those numbers. For example, my O'day 35 had a similar PHRF rating as the C&C 34 I raced on. But the C&C was MUCH faster. This was because the owner took racing seriously. He had good quality sails, a folding prop, kept the boat light (no water in the tanks, 1/2 tank of fuel, small anchor and rode, etc.), and the bottom fair. My boat had older sails, fixed blade prop, roller furling, 50 gallons of water, 35' anchor with 50' of chain, etc. When I was looking for a newer boat, one requirement was that it had to be SIGNIFICANTLY faster. I wanted something under a 100 PHRF rating. My 110 more than meets that! Another point is that you are talking about older boats, and that's fine as there are lots of good ones out there. But at this stage, the maintenance a boat has received is way more important than who originally built it. Irwin was a low cost boat when built but if it has been loved, maintained and improved, it could be a very nice boat now. If not, it will be a real piece of junk. Unfortunately, the same will be true of the C&C's. Lastly, I don't know why people seem to dislike the C&C 34. I think they are pretty good boats and sail well. The 6' draft might be bad for you. The 35 I race on has a wing keel, but I think those boats are out of your budget. I don't know much about the LF line, but I believe the hulls are the same so I'm sure they sail well too. Good luck, Barry  

BarryL said: Hey, I used to race on a 1980 C&C 34, currently race on an 88 C&C 35, and own a 2002 C&C 110. Yes, I like C&C boats. PHRF ratings are a good way to compare the performance of various boats. But don't get hung up on absolute numbers so much. You need top notch gear and dedication to make the boat sail to those numbers. For example, my O'day 35 had a similar PHRF rating as the C&C 34 I raced on. But the C&C was MUCH faster. This was because the owner took racing seriously. He had good quality sails, a folding prop, kept the boat light (no water in the tanks, 1/2 tank of fuel, small anchor and rode, etc.), and the bottom fair. My boat had older sails, fixed blade prop, roller furling, 50 gallons of water, 35' anchor with 50' of chain, etc. When I was looking for a newer boat, one requirement was that it had to be SIGNIFICANTLY faster. I wanted something under a 100 PHRF rating. My 110 more than meets that! Another point is that you are talking about older boats, and that's fine as there are lots of good ones out there. But at this stage, the maintenance a boat has received is way more important than who originally built it. Irwin was a low cost boat when built but if it has been loved, maintained and improved, it could be a very nice boat now. If not, it will be a real piece of junk. Unfortunately, the same will be true of the C&C's. Lastly, I don't know why people seem to dislike the C&C 34. I think they are pretty good boats and sail well. The 6' draft might be bad for you. The 35 I race on has a wing keel, but I think those boats are out of your budget. I don't know much about the LF line, but I believe the hulls are the same so I'm sure they sail well too. Good luck, Barry Click to expand...

Hey everyone who has replied and chimed in, thanks a lot! As I mentioned, I'm pretty new to all this, and having all your experience and discussion has helped a lot! Interestingly, this afternoon and evening between my log ins here at SN, I've done more reading and looking, and I've focused in on the C&C 35s. I would take the 33-36, but from what I can tell, for some reason, the 35 MKIIs have a slightly more shallow draft. I mentioned earlier that there's an Irwin Citation 34 in my town, and the owner listed it at 4' draft, but sailboatdata has it as a little over 5. So, I figure if I don't break the 5.5 mark, I'll be OK. Been out with friends on their 5'9" and we get by (theirs is a Yamaha 30' - never seen one before). Seems like what I'm seeing is consistent with what y'all are saying, of course - often fairly well cared for since they typically race, have good gear, etc. My opinion is I'd rather have the good gear even if I have to do some aesthetics work. Oh, and blisters - saw one that had blister repair done. From what I've read, a boat that's had blister repair done correctly wouldn't necessarily be any more prone to developing blisters than any other comparable hull, right? And CruisingDad - I lived in Seattle for 6 years before moving to NC. I did a lot of kayaking in WA, but no sailing, but there's a good chance I'll be back there eventually. Will look forward to learning more about sailing on the opposite coast. Thanks all!  

Great thread! Welcome to Sailnet and NC! Are you planning to keep the boat in Southport? Looks like you will be doing a LOT of coastal sailing. You are a little over 100 miles from Beaufort inlet. Beaufort and Morehead City are nice places to visit. Cape Lookout is beautiful, too.  

Thank you for this thread. Its been very informative. BarryL, I see you are from Mount Sinai. Just curious which yacht club you race out of?  

I'm not sure where I will be keeping the boat, most likely Wilmington or, since I work at Camp Lejeune, maybe at one of the marinas there. There are some other folks with boats at Lejeune, and they all go out on Friday evenings, so could be fun to do that with the group. But, Wilmington would allow quicker access to a lot of great destinations. Really, around here, I'm not sure I can go wrong - so many places to explore.  

Wilmington would be a long drive and really the only sailing would be on the outside. Are you Marine? If so, you might be able to get dockage here: Marina, Picnic, & Camping - MCCS Cherry Point I have seen boats coming and going from that part of the river. Personally, I think this about as good as it gets for a sailing location in all of southeastern NC. Plenty of open water for sailing, and Wednesday night racing out of Oriental. You have half day (or less) trips to New Bern, Oriental, and Morehead/Beaufort. Or a day trip to Ocracoke. Plus it looks like the dockage is cheap. Not sure if it is for Cherry Point employees only.  

I'd look into that, but I live in Wilmington, that's why I'm considering those two locations. One is at work, one is where I live.  

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FYI there are about 5 models of C&C 35s! MK I - what I have - is shallow draft. 5 feet 4 inches or so. MK II - Similar to the MK I but draws a bit more. These are both "classic" C&C designs that are solid hulls and - IMHO - very good performers. No trying to insult 34 owners, but I have a lot of miles on C&C 34s and IMHO the 35s sail better. Landfall 35 - A rare boat. It comes in a standard layout and another layout that is rather odd with a huge table forward which is very much suited to a couple, but not really the best for more IMHO. The slowest 35. 35 MK III and 35 MK III CB. The MK III is the "modern 35" and IIRC has a deep draft and centerboard version. Probably the fastest of the bunch, although the margin isn't huge. There are some issues with the engines. The LF 35 has a V-drive that is extra $$ to fix if it goes bad. The MK III has a Yanmar with a normal straight drive. The MK I and MK II came standard with an Atomic 4 or a 15 HP diesel based on an MG Midget engine. The A4, if still original, is an old engine by now. They are very well supported, so getting parts, a rebuild, or a new engine is easy. The 15 HP diesel is - AFAIK - just about totally unsupported. If it needs major work it could prove to be quite the challenge. By now many of the early boats no longer have the original engines, so you would need to check how the replacement was done and what it is. The 34 came with a 2 cylinder Yanmar that shakes the whole boat when it runs.  

Coqiuna, Thanks for the details. I have run across most of those variations of the 35's, and I'm focusing on the 35 MKII's. I've found a handful that look well maintained and are in my price range. I just wish they were closer - I'm in NC, and they range in distance from MD to WI. I had looked at the LF earlier, but then ruled it out as not really what I would enjoy the most. While I will probably be doing some weekending, I will mostly be wanting to see what I can coax out of the boat, and everything I've read about these boats makes it seem like they'll respond and give me good practice and experience. I liked how my instructor put it "If you're the only boat out there, you're sailing, otherwise you're racing." Thanks again for the input - I especially like comparisons between the variations, etc.  

Silverton10 said: ... and I'm focusing on the 35 MKII's. I've found a handful that look well maintained and are in my price range. ... Click to expand...

For NC I would be looking at a MK I for less draft.  

Draft is a primary consideration for me here. When I look at listings (sailboatlistings, yachtworld, boatsfsbo, etc) looks like both the MKI and MKII are about the same right about 5.5'. I get the same data from sailboatlistings.com http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1800 (Don't know if all MKIs were called Redwing, but that's the only other one I find on sailboatlistings) C&C 35-2 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com Maybe 2"-3" difference between MKI and MKII? Of course I'm only reading online and don't have hands-on experience with either of these boats, which is why I've posted this. So, if you have any info to clarify this, it'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks.  

Don't forget those numbers are 'designed' or 'hoped for' when in reality many boats that are actually being used and full of fuel, provisions, extra gear, crew, etc etc will be heavier and therefore somewhat deeper than what may have been designed for. Not excessively, perhaps, but even so those numbers are somewhat nominal and not to be relied on to the inch.  

Good point with provisions, etc. I will say it is interesting to see how much stats like draft can vary for the same boat across listings.  

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