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Anyone know if you can reasonably roof rack a Laser on a Honda Pilot for a 25 minute highway drive? I would do it on my old Odyssey but the Pilots racks are about a foot shorter, and I'm concerned the boat might pitch too much while driving on the highway. I have the Thule crossbar kit, which I would use.  

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undivide said: almost 14 ft and 130 lbs... just make sure the cross bars are rated for the weight and have your load centered and properly strapped down... drive slow with your flashers on if you have to. I've mounted my necky tandem on my old pilot with some el cheapo ebay crossbars that are suspect but drive just fine to the river! New item by Eric photos.app.goo.gl New item by Eric photos.app.goo.gl this is an example of how to NOT haul a large kayak , the J-bars should only be used for low weight single seater boats. bigger boats should lay bottom down for transport. Click to expand...

I have one of these truck bed extenders that gets used every now and then for longer stuff like sheet rock etc in back of Pilot. It also mounts the opposite way and goes up to roof line. Just remember to use a pool noodle or some towel wrapped type cushion to prevent damage from the metal. Not sure what brand I have. Harbor Freight also sells one like it.  

I don't think pitching will be a problem with a well-secured load, but I would try a dry-run on getting it up there. A Pilot's roof is tall enough to make routine tasks like securing tie-downs more difficult. Lifting it (especially solo) will be interesting, too.  

Passport rails on Pilot time, energy and money but adjustable has been done. Creative fabricator might be able to do something else. Old thread on CRV forum guy didn't want to pay for rack stuff. He got aluminum square stock from a commercial door being thrown away. He made his own pedestals and cross bars that worked perfect for him. Another option for the longer stuff is a temporary bar that you could put further up for support. SeaSucker Monkey Bars SeaSucker  

sequoiasoon said: Passport rails on Pilot time, energy and money but adjustable has been done. Creative fabricator might be able to do something else. Old thread on CRV forum guy didn't want to pay for rack stuff. He got aluminum square stock from a commercial door being thrown away. He made his own pedestals and cross bars that worked perfect for him. Another option for the longer stuff is a temporary bar that you could put further up for support. SeaSucker Monkey Bars SeaSucker Click to expand...

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one-man loading of a sailboat to a roof rack????

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• Start date Sep 28, 2005
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Hello,I am doing some research on what type of system to use, to enable me to load/unload a 130 lb. sailboat on and off my honda element by myself.I will be buying a laser sailboat and need to get this done first. I have the basic roof-rack I need to buy (probably from coliesails of New Jersey---very helpful--ask for Colby)but before I "rack" my brains and do a 'self-design' I would like to hear from anyone with any knowledge of the existence of such an attachment to a roof rack.I suppose I envision something that would enable me to ratchet the sailboat onto the roof rack (after positioning the boat in a vertical position , resting on the 'aft' of my suv (a feat in itself!!). The poor boat would, though, go thru some stress...not too good... I briefly went to a 'product-review' site and saw a few posts from bikers, who seem to have this contraption that hangs from the back of their vehicle. I really don't understand it......Any info would be appreciatedThanksRayMiami Beach  

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Is this really worth it? I went thru the same calculations to be able to cartop my Sunfish. In the end, I did something I said I would never do: I bought a trailer. More expensive, sure, but so much easier.  

Take a look at a "roller loader" Is a framed system of wheels that are mounted at the far aft portion of the roof. You essentially lift the bow of the boat to roller, walk back to the stern, partly lift and push the boat along the wheels until its located onto your 'roof rack'. My slightly built wife uses such a system to load a farily heavy kayak onto a Thule roof rack on a Subaru Forrester. Just keep your back straight when lifting and rolling. A boat so supported would only need 75# of "lift" to get it onto the roof, since the other 'end' is either on the ground or on the loader. If you're handy you could easly build one yourself. www.rollerloader.com  

roof loader I build one for a friend that he used to put a row boat on the roof of his van. the way it worked is that it had two rails per side, one that was mounted(removeable) to the van, and another that used inline skate wheels to slide along on those tracks untill it was halfway off, then it would tip down and set the stern on the ground, the slides sat against the bumper and was held upright in his case he made up a two wheel cart using plastic 20" bicycle wheels that strapped under the boat so he could walk it into the water. it worked simply and he used it all the time to go fishing, he could load/unload it faster than I could, and I was 20 years yiounger, and built the thing!  critical points to measure are the length and breadth of the boat, so you know how far the slider needs to travel to balance the load, the distance to the top of the roof so you know where to stop and til, and how heavy the boat is I thought that I may need to install a hand winch or pulley for him to stand the boat up and let it down (he was an old 63) but he managed it easily  I may still have the Idea outlines I drew up, I don't make drawings, sketch out the rough idea and start building, designing as I go, but they're stuck in old notebooks and not filed. ken.  

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ILCA/Laser Cartopping Equipment

Over the years I’ve had a wide variety of methods for transporting Lasers around.  Everything from 2x4s on the roof of a van to aluminum trailers specifically built to lasers to a giant van the laser went inside of . I’m back to cartopping a Laser and my new vehicle is a 2019 Volkswagen Atlas SUV.  Back when I had a 2012 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen – I learned what worked pretty well for cartopping and here’s what I’ve recreated for the Volkswagen Atlas.

Thule Bars, end Caps

These hold the boat – I like to get bars longer than the boat is wide to make it easy to tie the boat down and leave room for the spars out the side. The 78″ ones are more than enough and I could likely cut them down if I wanted a little less likely of catching something. 78″ is exactly the width of the Atlas from the edges of each side view mirror. The end caps don’t do much other than make it cleaner. Good quality pads are needed to protect the boat. I’ve got 2 20″ Dorsal pads on each bar. Thule makes 18″ ones and there are a variety of alternatives. These also have the effect of cutting down on wind noise when a boat is not present.

What I have on the Atlas:

• Thule Roof Rack Load Bars Set of 2
• Thule EC1 Load Bar End Caps 4-Pack
• Thue Surf Pads

It seems that since I originally set this up in 2019 that Thule is no longer selling the longer version of the Load Bars (LB78 or LB65). Look for alternatives of an appropriate length.

These will be a bit more specific to the vehicle. For both of my vehicles that had a roof rack that ran fore/aft these universal feet were able to grip around them. Note they also must match the roof bars, so if you get different bars, be sure to get the feet that match. These feet have a rubber coated metal strap that goes underneath the bar to secure it. The end cap has a built-in allen wrench used for tightening them. The end caps themselves seem a little loose without the lock cylinders so a set of those is necessary and to ensure the rack doesn’t disappear. Tip: if you think you would use other Thule products, buy extra lock cylinders so they are identically keyed or visit a vendor in the future who will sell matching cylinders. (If buying the paddle holders – go for the 8 or 10 pack so everything keys the same)

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These paddle holders are great for transporting spars – they are big enough to go around 3 spars at a time – lower, upper and boom. With the Jetta when I traveled with the Radial lower I just put it in the car. With the Atlas I wanted the ability to travel with the Radial lower and a spare upper, so that’s why I have the extra wide bars and got two sets of Paddle Holders. Note in the picture the inner set are backwards, I ended up having to turn these around so the tightening strap pulls away from the vehicle in both sets. The lock cylinders can also be put on these – the paddle holders will hold the spars securely without locking, the locks just prevent anything from disappearing.

Spars can be transported without a cover just fine – they just get a little buggy on long trips. I prefer to use the spar bag to keep them clean and make it easier to load and unload 1 thing instead of 3. Be sure to tuck in the extra material and handles to keep things from flapping.

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There’s two ways I like to tie the boat down – two straps over the hull where the roof bars are. These are made rather tight and do 100% of the work of keeping the boat on the car. The forward one should be forward of the max beam of the boat so if the boat does slide forward, the strap is smaller than the beam and the boat can’t slide through it. These straps have rubber to protect the boat and easily cinch the strap tight. The loose end of the strap gets tucked into the cover on the underside.

The other straps I use attach to the bow eye and the rudder gudgeons. These are not intended to be super tight and do very little to keep the boat on the car. They are really just there for emergency use in case another strap fails or the rack itself fails – this will keep the boat with the car – and limit damage to the boat, car or anyone else. I don’t like making this tight so that it doesn’t ‘bend’ the boat over the car nor put a lot of stress on the bow eye or gudgeons for long periods of time while the boat is racked. Thule makes a set of quick ties that use a ratchet system with some hooks to easily attach and tighten them. It comes with some webbing straps – I attach these to the boat before putting the covers on and slip them out the holes in the cover before putting the boat on the roof so they can be easily hooked to.

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• Thule and other sell Aero bars – but these are sold to a width matching the roof bars and cannot extend much beyond that – making them less suitable for the Laser with the spars on the side. They would work boat only. And it’s not possible to just buy a wider bar than compatible for the vehicle, they won’t fit – I tried.
• Thule LoadBar is different than the SquareBar and the LoadBar appears to be a product they are starting to do away with.
• Put the spars on the driver side so when making a quick stop to check things, it doesn’t require walking all the way around the car.
• Yakima has a line of roof bars that are also widely used.

Another accessory I’ve gotten quite a bit of use out of is a bike rack. Great for taking a bike along when rigging or camping just a little away from the clubhouse and a great way to get around when parking is tight.

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Nice post and set up! Do you car top the Laser single-handed? If so, what is your method?

I have done it before with a sedan by balancing the bow on where the bar meets the car while using a very long bar, and I could think of some ways to make is smoother and less risky but I didn’t once drop it and had to have repairs made. I have not attempted that with the taller atlas SUV.

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• Good for Big Groups
• Good for Couples
• Good for a Rainy Day
• Budget-friendly
• Good for Kids
• Hidden Gems
• Honeymoon spot
• Good for Adrenaline Seekers
• Adventurous
• Things to do ranked using Tripadvisor data including reviews, ratings, photos, and popularity.

1. Flotilla Radisson Royal

2. Moscow River Boat Tours

3. Sup-Club

4. Akvanavt Diving Centre

5. Diving Center Crocus City Oceanarium

6. CheapRussia Tours

7. Kite School Kiteclass

8. SUP Center

9. Erwin. Reka

11. Easy Russia Tour Guide

12. Lovely Russia Tours

13. Capital River Boat Tours - Moscow Centre

14. Alfa Centr

15. Diving Club Divers

16. Sup Outdoor

17. MORE MOSCOW

19. Soho Sailing Style

20. Diving Center Crocodile

21. Dive-Project

22. Mosparokhodstvo

24. Kosinskiy Children Marine Club

25. Kayak Moscow

26. DIVECLUB CHE

27. Moswake

28. FLOW Moscow

29. Morskiye Volki

30. S-cruises

What travelers are saying

• CheapRussia Tours
• Easy Russia Tour Guide
• Lovely Russia Tours
• MORE MOSCOW
• Insider Moscow Tours
• Flotilla Radisson Royal
• Moscow River Boat Tours
• Capital River Boat Tours - Moscow Centre
• Diving Center Crocus City Oceanarium