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Why are hulls curved when looking from the side?
Discussion in ' Boat Design ' started by Boatyboatboat , Feb 25, 2024 at 2:31 PM .
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Beginner question here. I've tried finding the answer on my own, but without luck. I get why hulls are curved when looking from the top/bottom, but why are they also curved when looking from the side? In the picture below I've colored the original hull shape in green. What would happen if the hulls were shaped like the red lines instead? The submerged part of the hull would still look like a hydrodynamic cigarr. Autonomous boats are also curved, so I guess it's not about ride comfort or creating enough space for humans.
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I can think of a couple of reasons, but there may be more. Firstly you need the boat to handle waves or chop where if the two ends are providing more of the buoyancy and the middle less, you're putting extra stress on the structure - you want most of the lifting to be done by the middle, while the front and back ends are working more to keep the boat level relative to the slope of the water surface. The second reason is that you're trying to minimise drag from excessive surface area where you want a gentle transition as you go from no boat displacing water at the bow through maximum displacement of water in the middle and back to zero displacement at the stern, and varying the maximum depth of the boat as you move from front to back is just as important for that as varying how much it bulges out sideways - keep one constant and the other has to vary more, resulting either in a steeper angle of surface being driven against the water or needing a longer hull to maintain the same angle, which means extra surface area and more drag.
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Hi @Boatyboatboat Viewed historically I guess the main reason for a not-rectangle shape is it's not as hard to turn as a (in side view) rectangle shape.
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“We had to laugh, but it’s also kind of serious,” one Aboriginal community resident told 7.30.
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Beagle Bay chairman Henry Augustine was one of the first on the scene as the first two groups of men were brought to a public park.
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Staff from the local Aboriginal health clinic provided cold water and bandaged up wounds on feet and legs.
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At the same time, a local Aboriginal tourism operator was making a shock discovery 35 kilometres north.
The man, who's asked not to be named, says he spotted a head bobbing up behind one of his parked vehicles.
It was one of another 13 men who had become separated from the others.
"Some of them were angry because my dogs went at them," he told 7.30.
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The man chuckled as he describes his local dogs Marley and Smokey as the 'frontline' of Australia's border defence.
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Locals have identified the suspected landing site, where a large amount of rubbish and discarded clothing was found.
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The ABF has said it will not comment on operational matters.
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Australia's vast northern borders are currently guarded by a network of government boats and privately contracted aeroplanes.
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Indonesian fishing camps have been discovered close to shore, and dozens of boats crammed with sun-weathered men have been filmed cruising around Australian marine parks harvesting sea cucumber.
Community leaders like Mr Augustine say they're keen to help — if only authorities would engage with them.
"We have our local rangers, and they know the coastline better than anyone," he said.
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The ABF told 7.30 it's started a new local patrol program.
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The scenes at Beagle Bay ignited an all-too-familiar political row over border security.
Defence and security analyst John Coyne says the bickering has the potential to undermine the international messaging aimed at deterring people-smuggling.
He's told 7.30 a hardline, no-tolerance approach is the only realistic way of stopping people making the dangerous sea voyages.
"There are a continually increasing number of people wanting to come to Australia for either humanitarian or economic opportunities, and that's going to be expanded not just by conflict but by climate change," he says.
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Often lost in the mix are the personal stories of the people making the journey to Australia's remote coast.
When the ABC arrived at Beagle Bay, the ABF attempted to shut down an interview with a Pakistani man who wanted to share his story.
Officials told police officers down a phone line that the media was 'prohibited' from speaking with the men.
The man, who the ABC has decided to de-identify, said he had to leave Pakistan due to persecution linked to his support of imprisoned former prime minister and cricket legend Imran Khan.
"The Pakistan situation is very bad," the man said.
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It said it was the second time he'd made the journey to Australia by boat to claim asylum, having been deported several years ago, after arriving in 2012.
7.30 has been unable to verify the details of his claims.
The man said he was worried some of the group might die during the long trek to find help after the night-time boat landing.
Pointing out the dangers of arriving to a foreign shore by boat, the man said he and others were unsure of where to go or their surroundings and roamed through the West Australian bush.
"We went into the jungle and it was a big jungle, and we lose our mind," he said.
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He became emotional talking about his wife and five children, tearing up as he described his desire that they be allowed to relocate to Australia.
After several hours in the park, the 39 men were shuffled between locations.
First they were herded into an undercover area at the local primary school, then moved into a kindergarten classroom as a sudden tropical lightning storm swept over the scene.
Curious Beagle Bay locals pulled up in their cars to observe the scene, pondering where the men would sleep in a schoolroom full of desks and toys.
From there, the group was bussed 300 kilometres away to the Curtin airbase, from where they were whisked away the same way they arrived — in the middle of the night in secret.
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Life has largely returned to normal in Beagle Bay.
But there's also pride in the kindness shown to the unexpected arrivals.
The Kimberley landscape can be brutally hot and hard to survive, and the impulse to assist outsiders is ingrained, no matter what their nationality or visa status.
"I'm pretty stoked with our mob at Beagle Bay in terms of looking after people as human beings," reflects Henry Augustine.
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