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Hull Cracked / Deck Damaged - Beneteau 311- Thread starter raul bandas
- Start date Feb 16, 2013
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raul bandasDear Beneteau Oceanis 311 Colleagues, Last week I purchased a 2003 Beneteau Oceanis 311. The original owner kept it in excellent conditions and meticulously fixed all AA problems during his 10-year ownership. Unfortunately, on the first day of our journey to the sailboat’s new marina we ran into bad weather. Wind gusts reached at times @ 20 to 25 knots. At one point during the middle of the storm we heard a strange noise as if something had cracked. Immediately thereafter we proceeded to shorten the mainsail and conducted a quick inspection of the deck and inside the cabin. However, all seemed perfectly fine. The next day we sailed off again. The weather was perfect; sunny, 3 feet waves, and 6 knots wind. After approximately 4 hours into the trip, we noticed a football bubble on the port side chainplate U Bolt. The toe rail was bent as well. A similar bubble was starting to swell on the starboard side at the chainplate U Bolt. We then immediately lowered the sails and called for assistance from a nearby marina. When we arrived to the marina we noticed that the port side of the hull was cracked open almost 2 inches in width by 10 inches in length. I wish to know whether any Beneteau Oceanis 311 owner has ever run into a similar problem and the corrective measures, from an engineering standpoint, undertaken to fix the problem. I am not sure whether building a thicker fiberglass layer under the deck will be enough to withstand the pressure caused by the installation of a new set of chainplate U Bolts. Another option is to fabricate a steel plate (1/2 inch thick x 16 inches in length x 4 inches in width) and affix it under the new fiberglass layer under the deck. Thank you for your kind attention and assistance. Best. Raul [email protected] Raul Having had 4 Beneteaus over the past 30 years - never heard of a situation like this. The typical chainplate arrangement for Beneteau is to have the shrouds terminate on deck into a plate. This plate is bolted to a similar plate underneath the deck with a large stainless rod carrying the load/tension to a u bolt glassed to the lower hull. Last year I had the shroud plate rebedded on my 423 because of a leak. The factory advised the dealer on the tension for the connecting rod under the deck (which has a turnbuckle) as over tensioning would compress the deck around the shroud and ultimately crack it. Simple hand tightening was all that was required. I bring that up because if these stainless rods were overtensioned that might contribute to your problem. Since you have the problem around the hull deck joint you should probably check both the deck and hull around the compression post since downward pressure on the mast may have caused a problem there as well. Also curious: was the mast down when you bought it? If so who rigged the boat. Was a prepurchase survey done? TJ, I have attached three pictures which illustrate the extent of the damage caused to the deck and hull. The damaged chainplates for the upper and lower shrouds are attached to bulkheads. Also, I don't have the rigging history on this boat yet, but I will certainly ask the previous owner. With respect to the mast, it wasn't down when I purchased the boat. Lastly, I did commission a survey inspection prior to the purchase, which BTW passed with flying colors. Thank you for the kind advice. RB Attachments![beneteau 311 sailboat review Picture 1.jpg](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/data/attachments/43/43145-ccb010b04fd341f4834b0765547b3eb8.jpg) Lee Hadjiosifraul bandas said: TJ, I have attached three pictures which illustrate the extent of the damage caused to the deck and hull. The damaged chainplates for the upper and lower shrouds are attached to bulkheads. Also, I don't have the rigging history on this boat yet, but I will certainly ask the previous owner. With respect to the mast, it wasn't down when I purchased the boat. Lastly, I did commission a survey inspection prior to the purchase, which BTW passed with flying colors. Thank you for the kind advice. RB Click to expand ![beneteau 311 sailboat review finding41](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/data/avatars/m/108/108860.jpg?1443872010) Captn TJ said: Raul Having had 4 Beneteaus over the past 30 years - never heard of a situation like this. The typical chainplate arrangement for Beneteau is to have the shrouds terminate on deck into a plate. This plate is bolted to a similar plate underneath the deck with a large stainless rod carrying the load/tension to a u bolt glassed to the lower hull. Last year I had the shroud plate rebedded on my 423 because of a leak. The factory advised the dealer on the tension for the connecting rod under the deck (which has a turnbuckle) as over tensioning would compress the deck around the shroud and ultimately crack it. Simple hand tightening was all that was required. I bring that up because if these stainless rods were overtensioned that might contribute to your problem. Since you have the problem around the hull deck joint you should probably check both the deck and hull around the compression post since downward pressure on the mast may have caused a problem there as well. Also curious: was the mast down when you bought it? If so who rigged the boat. Was a prepurchase survey done? Click to expand ![beneteau 311 sailboat review Ron20324](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/data/avatars/m/59/59774.jpg?1443871917) Re: Hull cracked / Deck damaged I have a B323, and at 20 to 25, I would have had the main reefed. Not having been there with you, it's impossible to speculate if the rigging was over-canvased and undue pressure on the rigging and mast. Perhaps the bow smacked down into a awave? Since you had a survey done and other possible causes, I'd think it is hard to point blame. Raul This should not have happened in 20-25 kts of wind regardless of how much sail was up. If you were over canvassed you would have been knocked down. The chainplate arrangement is quite a departure from what I'm use to seeing on Beneteau's. is there another 311 that you can look at to see if the same arrangement exists? What is also interesting is that this is a 10 yr old boat. At some point it should have been through some high winds and manufacturing problems would have been visible. My armchair analysis is that the rigging was way over tensioned on both sides with the high winds/full sails contributing to the damage. sandpiper10471Re: Hull cracked / Deck damaged My armchair tells me someone removed the structural struts in order to renovate the interior and failed to reinstall them. Go after the surveyor who should have caught this. peoples1234![beneteau 311 sailboat review](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.discoveryyachtcharters.com%2FFleet_Specs%2Fbeneteau321.jpg&hash=3aa92f73375fb5ba899344010a2f360e) Re: Hull cracked / Deck damaged What's the rest of the story about your sailing conditions. Do you think it is possible that you hit something underwater? Did you stuff the bow into a wave while sailing off the wind on port tack? Did you gybe hard at any time, allowing the main to slam into the port side rigging? You don't tell us how well you were handling the winds and seas. I agree that these things should not normally happen when properly sailing a properly rigged boat in 25 mph winds. ![beneteau 311 sailboat review anchorclanker](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/data/avatars/m/112/112686.jpg?1443872021) anchorclankerNot only does there not appear to be a bulkhead, there does not appear to be any stay/chainplate ties to the hull. I get the feeling this is not as it came from the factory? Beneteau has a good reputation as much as I have read, just cant imagine this is how it was made. Also cant imagine a surveyor wouldnt have seen this, but they cant see everything? same as a B323 People's last picture on deck is a good example also of my 323. The stanchions are angled out, and they always hit the pilings when moving in/out of the slip and other boats when rafting up. One lifeline was between the shrouds, and the other was outside of both shrouds. Not a "squared ship", to say the least! Also, you can see that if you are leaning on the lifelines, you are already outboard of the toerail, and "off" the boat. I took my stanchions to the local shop and had them bent inward at the base and all is well. The lifelines now are between the shrouds, giving the LLs additional support. And yes, my shrouds are anchored at the toerail, no doubt to get them as far outboard as possible.. ![beneteau 311 sailboat review ph034495](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/data/avatars/m/116/116165.jpg?1443872030) 311 deck damaged sorry about this event to your boat. I must say i was amazed at the damage from such a small gust. I sail in Hawaii were we routinely get gusts in excess if 35 knots! Knock downs are not uncommon and I could not believe that your hull did not have chain plates continuing the shrouds to a more rigid attachment. I went to the beneteau web site to look at the 311 spare parts and compare the 311 with the 321(middle picture) and 323 (right picture), it appears as discussed that the 311 (left picture) terminates at the deck joint.. Hope insurance covers this one. i will follow thread good luck.. don ![beneteau 311 sailboat review ben 311.gif](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/data/attachments/43/43224-fc602e0e7258f1ee2299a1a2d87d5559.jpg) DJBrooksterRon20324 said: People's last picture on deck is a good example also of my 323. The stanchions are angled out, and they always hit the pilings when moving in/out of the slip and other boats when rafting up. One lifeline was between the shrouds, and the other was outside of both shrouds. Not a "squared ship", to say the least! Also, you can see that if you are leaning on the lifelines, you are already outboard of the toerail, and "off" the boat. I took my stanchions to the local shop and had them bent inward at the base and all is well. The lifelines now are between the shrouds, giving the LLs additional support. And yes, my shrouds are anchored at the toerail, no doubt to get them as far outboard as possible.. Click to expand DJBrookster said: However, your second post makes little sense in relation to the OP. Click to expand ![beneteau 311 sailboat review Jackdaw](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/data/avatars/m/100/100643.jpg?1443871990) Ouch. Very sorry to see this. This type of rigging is becoming more and more popular; shrouds out to the gunwales. Wider rig base hence less tension. When this is done, typically there is a structure on the HULL to take the rigging load, or transfer it to the structural grid. Thie only thing I can think of is that the mast was re-rigged and way too much tension was put on. Typically you load the rig with 20% or breaking strength and expect maybe 50%. I'd take a very close look at who did the rigging and how. Maybe metallurgy can be examined to understand how much tension the rig was under. Good luck with the boat. Hope it can be saved. But if your insurance gives you a good out, take it. ![beneteau 311 sailboat review Maine Sail](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/data/avatars/m/0/2.jpg?1443871909) watercaymanI'm really sorry to hear about this, especially as you just got the boat. My 311 has the same basic system, though it is nearly impossible to see very much without completely taking out the cabinetry. I suspect the 323 is the same, as my boat (a 2005 model) was so late off the line it had many of the 323 parts and schematics stuck into it. It does feel like the glass around this area is reinforced. How much, I can't tell. I spoke to an engineer friend who noted that the stress would also be taken up and spread out via the toe rail, which the chain goes through and is attached to the deck at ~3 inch intervals. He thought there was plenty of support by this design. I'm no engineer. I did a lot of research on this model before purchase. Between this and the 323 there were over 500 boats produced. The 311 model was dominant in Europe and the 323 more so in the USA. This is the first time I've ever seen anything like this. The 311 was a very popular charter boat for a good 5 years in the Mediterranean. If that doesn't stress test the boat, I'm not sure what will. I typically sail the boat in 16-20kts of wind, with various amounts of sail, and have been out in 20+ for short periods before reefing. The boat rounds up when significantly over-canvassed, and to me this seems like a built-in stress relief on the chain plates. This being said, I have never jibed the boat in that force of wind... but I'm guessing those charter boats likely have. It is also interesting to note that the big-brother 331 does have the strut, but the chain plate does not go through the toe-rail, but rather it is about 1 foot inwards. The comments below about the rigging potentially being over-tightened or a poor quality control issue seem to make the most sense to me given the complete lack of previously reported failure. I wish you the best and hope you are able to resolve it and enjoy the boat again. Mike ![beneteau 311 sailboat review](https://forums.sailboatowners.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi667.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv40%2Fceeceebee_photos%2F38b5dc79e870685f537ce8efb20ea059_zps57e7a908.jpg&hash=2097287218d42300d8fa24fae2e0d371) I'm amazed to see so little backing and no hull attached chain plates. Even my O'day 26 and Hunter 23 had stronger attachments. What is the tension like after the damage? If they are both still very tight, it's clear they were over tensioned. Hopefully she can be repaired and reinforced. Have you contacted Beneteau? - This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. 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Feb 16, 2013. 5. Beneteau Oceanis 311 Puerto del Rey, Fajardo, Puerto Rico. Feb 17, 2013. #3. TJ, I have attached three pictures which illustrate the extent of the damage caused to the deck and hull. The damaged chainplates for the upper and lower shrouds are attached to bulkheads.