30'
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4.00
4.47
5.48
6.32
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13.42
16.43
18.97
*SLR = speed (in knots) divided by the square root of Waterline Length (ft)
So, below the speed given for SLR=1 and above the speed given for SLR=3.0, the majority of resistance would be directly affected by the roughly 20% increase in the wetted surface for the Vee (or 15% for the Box shape) and if we add in the 5% weight penalty, this could go to about 24%. ( While these percentages might also apply for speeds well under SLR of 0.5 or over 3.5, they would in fact be somewhat less than that at the SLRs listed, as not all the resistance would be due to surface friction )
But between the two values listed, wave resistance grows to a peak at around SLR=2 (for the average multihull) and at this point, the narrower beam of the Vee hulls could lower wave resistance enough to offset the frictional resistance and therefore be quite efficient in the range between the two speeds listed above for each length. The box or Vee'd shape would also offer less leeway and that will also help to compensate.
If we widen the hull at the bottom, the sides can become more vertical and this more box-like section can further lower the wave-making compared to the Vee-section we started out with, as it disturbs the passing waves even less.
Of course, there are other aspects to consider too—like having less interior space at the waterline with the V-hull and also, that the V-hull would initially sink about 15% more for each 100 lbs of extra weight loaded on. The extra draft of a Vee hull is sometimes used as a longitudinal keel to resist lateral drift and that 'might' annul the need for a dagger board or centerboard, although deep fins are clearly more efficient for sailing upwind.
But if you're content to sail in the speed range indicated by the table, which is surprisingly broad, and can accept the other compromises, there's definitely a case for using the box hulls and keeping it simple. Outside of that, expect speeds at around 10% slower at the low end and similar at the much higher end beyond SLR of 3.5.
Of course, even 'ideal hulls' are seldom perfectly semi-circular and the total resistance also depends on many other things, such as the hull ends and even air resistance etc., but this gives a general idea of speed performance for such differing hull shapes, assuming all other factors are alike and comparable. On another aspect, the deeper V-hulls will also have more directional stability but in turn, be harder to tack—helpful for long trips but not for short tacking.
True V-hulls are seldom used for the center hull of a trimaran as they offer so little space. However, they have been used for easy-to-build catamarans and trimaran amas, for owners ready to accept the performance sacrifices noted above. However, the more box-hull can be justified for the sake of easy building. and at least offers more foot space than the narrow Vee'd for a main hull. [Deep, near vertical flat-sided hulls are also drier than Vee'd hulls and have more recently proven to have less wave drag].
Recent tests (2009) on a small prototype trimaran with this Box-hull form and flat bottom, demonstrated that performance can be surprisingly good and some of what is lost through increased wetted surface is indeed made up by the slimmer form. While this may not be true at low speeds (below say 4 kt), the flat of bottom may give enough dynamic lift over at least part of the hull length to offset the theoretically greater surface, and show that the higher speeds of a light trimaran will not be as adversely affected by this box form as one might first think.
Editors Note: For this reason, this simple-to-build form was chosen for the new W17 that has since proven to perform very well indeed. The added resistance at the very low end (say under 4 k) will still be there and will need some imaginative boat trimming and added light-wind sail area to overcome. But for a significant speed range above that, this boat, especially when built to design weight, is proving that the flat underbody surface can indeed offer a very clean running hull with some dynamic lift at higher speeds that some W17 owners are calling 'oiling', as it reportedly feels 'like the boat is running on oil'. Even with the very moderate cruising rig, a speed of 14.9 k has already been recorded (by GPS) in this mode, so this is impressive and promises to offer lots of fun. So for this particular design at least, the high end restriction of a boxy hard chine hull has been overcome by the relatively narrow hull, the flat of bottom and its low-rocker design profile. Compared to a round bilge, the box-hull also offers additional lateral resistance, so the dagger board wetted surface can be slightly reduced for another small speed gain.
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Discussion in ' Multihulls ' started by Red Dwarf , Jun 28, 2012 .
Why are most catamarans, length divided by beam, near 50% while trimarans appear to be closer to 66%? Is there any reason you couldn't make a catamaran just as wide as a trimaran of the same length?
You obviously mean beam overall, rather than demihull. The width apart of the hulls dictates the stability (for driving force v sail area) but also structural strength. Thus if you make the hulls further apart, the biggest influence will be the strength of the beams and being aluminium or mostly composite, the deflection is the driver. To minimise the deflection becomes harder with hulls which are further and further apart. Not impossible, but the compromises required can lead to a design that is not satisfactory. A tri-has hull spacing much closer, thus the structural loading is different and easier to control deflections. In a nut shell.
Beam A post by me from another thread-actual beam of a number of racing catamarans. Trimarans vary from less than square to over square. For instance Hydroptere is 1.36 times as wide as it is long. The Rave, Osprey and Hobie trifoiler are over square as well. There is a conviction among some that nearly square or over square cats don't tack well. Thats not my experience in RC models. Oversquare trimarans can tack very well. Doug Lord said: ↑ ================= 1) Hydroptere.ch- a. LOA 10.85m ( 35.58' ) b. Beam 10.4m (34.11 ) Beam 96% of length - 2) Decision 35 a. LOA 10.81 m ( 35.46' ) b. Beam 6.89 m ( 22.59' ) Beam 64% of length - 3) Alinghi AC cat a. LOA 33.5m ( 110' ) b. Beam 25.3m (83' ) Beam 75% of length - 4) AC 72 a. LOA 22m ( 72' ) b. Beam 14m ( 46' ) Beam 64% of length - In contrast, the new AC 45's are more conventional( beam wise)- 5) AC 45 a. LOA 13.45m ( 44' ) b. Beam 6.9m ( 22.6' ) Beam 51% of length - 6) Extreme 40's a. LOA 12.19m ( 40' ) b. Beam 7.92m (26' ) Beam 65% of length - 7) Whites Dragon(full flying foiler cat) http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/whites-dragons-mini-hydroptere-esq-35062.html a. LOA 7m ( 22.96' ) b. Beam 4m ( 13.12' ) Beam is 57% of length ----- - Click to expand...
Hi Red Dwarf, Having built multihulls since the mid sixties, I remember the problems cat designers had in overcoming the stresses trying to tear the hulls apart. It was overcome much later in cats than in tris. So we have the stresses over a wider span in cats, and the compression load from the mast in the middle of the longer crossbeam, and the tension involved in trying to keep the forestay tight and straight,(absorbed by the main hull of the tri), and the underwing impacts with the waves. All easier to overcome in tris than cats by the limited knowledge of the time and most important, by trial and error by amateurs such as myself who were prepared to build ocean going boats that nobody had built before. Hey, the joy of youth! Cheers, ChrisSR
Probably there are some parameters that I do not know because I have only projected 5 or 6 cats, passenger, cargo and fishing. I have always used the rules of Lloy's Register for "Special Service Craft." In them, torques supported by deck beams depend on several factors, displacement, waterline length and greatest breadth of the hulls at water line. I have seen nothing to suggest that these depend on the ratio LWL / Total Breath of the ship. I would be interested if someone knows, tell me where I'm wrong, for I am sure I have some error.
Hi Tansl, I would see is as abeam with mast load in the middle(compression) and get it engineered by a Nav. Arch. familiar with multihulls,(not all Nav. Archs are)to handle the boat being droped off waves. Cheers ChrisSR
ChrisSR said: ↑ Hi Red Dwarf, Having built multihulls since the mid sixties, I remember the problems cat designers had in overcoming the stresses trying to tear the hulls apart. It was overcome much later in cats than in tris. So we have the stresses over a wider span in cats, and the compression load from the mast in the middle of the longer crossbeam, and the tension involved in trying to keep the forestay tight and straight,(absorbed by the main hull of the tri), and the underwing impacts with the waves. All easier to overcome in tris than cats by the limited knowledge of the time and most important, by trial and error by amateurs such as myself who were prepared to build ocean going boats that nobody had built before. Hey, the joy of youth! Cheers, ChrisSR Click to expand...
ChrisSR said: ↑ I would see is as abeam with mast load in the middle(compression) and get it engineered by a Nav. Arch. familiar with multihulls,(not all Nav. Archs are)to handle the boat being droped off waves. ChrisSR Click to expand...
most trimarans only use 2 hulls at a time
Ad Hoc has it pretty much in a nutshell, as he says. But also: Boat designers are conservative. If you draw a wide beam catamaran it looks very strange on paper. Looks a bit weird being built, but very "right" on the water. So early designs were narrow because it looked right on paper Then many early boatyards were building in sheds that usually launched monohulls. So doorways and slipways were narrow. One major reason why the Iroquois, for example, was the beam it was was because the Sailcraft door was 14ft wide. When I worked with Derek Kelsall his shed door was 20ft wide so we tried to keep boats narrower than that, if they were wider (like the 38ft wide GB4) they had to be assembled outside. The Gemini 105 was designed to suit a standard 14ft wide slip. Many European boats are less than 5m wide so they can fit in the French canals and so get to the Med without going out to sea. Wide bridgedeck cabinned catamarans are very heavy as there is so much extra deck area. And heavy means more expensive to build as all the weight has to go through the builders hands. On a monohull at least 30% of the weight is in a bolt on keel. So generally it is open deck boats that are wide. And then you have the beam strength problem. More width adds weight. Many racing boats are deliberately narrow so they can hull fly in lower winds. A trimaran has shorter cantilever beams than a catamaran The widest catamaran I have designed was 17ft wide on a 22ft waterline. It sailed really well. But as I said at the beginning, it looked very strange on paper, especially when I first drew it 25 years ago and compared it to its competitors. It was wider than the 26ft Telstar trimaran for example. Richard Woods of Woods Designs www.sailingcatamarans.com
Thank you Richard that is very interesting. It also gives me more incentive to go ahead with my ideas for a catamaran. It is very much in the pipe dream phase but all ideas start somewhere.
My Irens F40 cat is 11.7m long and 7.75m wide, open bridgedeck, all kevlar/carbon/epoxy. It was designed for offshore use originally, so not to fly a hull routinely, though with a 19m wing mast it will do so. It spins around the daggerboards easily, very maneuverable compared to a typical beach cat, but of course has a lot more inertia which helps. Width/length should be a balance of transverse/longitudinal stability requirements, as well as other considerations. On a fast multihull the longitudinal stability is only required when accelerating, as the wind is always forward, but if you only have transverse you are risking a pitchpole when accelerating/decelerating. So a race boat can be wider than a cruising boat, for example, but a race boat for use in light winds would want to be narrower to limit stability and fly a hull earlier. As such, decide how you intend to use the boat, and adjust the width accordingly.
hump101 said: ↑ My Irens F40 cat is 11.7m long and 7.75m wide, open bridgedeck, all kevlar/carbon/epoxy. It was designed for offshore use originally, so not to fly a hull routinely, though with a 19m wing mast it will do so. It spins around the daggerboards easily, very maneuverable compared to a typical beach cat, but of course has a lot more inertia which helps. Width/length should be a balance of transverse/longitudinal stability requirements, as well as other considerations. On a fast multihull the longitudinal stability is only required when accelerating, as the wind is always forward, but if you only have transverse you are risking a pitchpole when accelerating/decelerating. So a race boat can be wider than a cruising boat, for example, but a race boat for use in light winds would want to be narrower to limit stability and fly a hull earlier. As such, decide how you intend to use the boat, and adjust the width accordingly. Click to expand...
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Here is what the curve gives as a recommended B/L ratio for a sailing trimaran. (Sailing Trimaran) B/L ratio = 1.48 ÷ (L ^ 0.21) [ Length L in feet ]. While this may initially look complex to calculate for some, it's very easy with the right help. Download the Mobi Calculator on your phone or tablet. You can then add the expression xn to ...
The length-to-beam ratio has risen over the centuries, but there are still practical limits. ... Each demi-hull of a catamaran has an LBR of about 10 to 12, and in a trimaran, whose center hull ...
Typical ranges of L/B are: 2 to 4 - Small to mid-size planing powerboats. 3 to 4 - Most small to mid-size sailboats and motor yachts, the longer ones generally having higher L/B. Some "skimming dish" racing sailboats also have L/B in this range; their wide beam gives them more initial stability so that they can fly larger sails.
Typically, a trimaran hull is the principal displacement supporter as well as the main accommodation area. This means that its L/b (Length to waterline beam) ratio will typically be up in the 7 to 10 range and with a cruising tri, often needs to spread out on both sides above the waterline to find adequate living space.
Trimarans have greater beam than catamarans, making them considerably more resistant to capsize by wind alone, whether gusts or sustained wind. ... (The optimum length-to-beam ratios is 1.7:1 - 2.2:1 for cats and 1.2:1-1.8:1 for trimarans.) Again, hull shape and buoyancy also play critical roles in averting a pitchpole, so beam alone shouldn ...
Overall beam is significantly higher (14ft vs 12ft), so adding to stability and power to drive the boat. B/L ratio is 0.82 compared to 0.67 for the earlier Cross. This increased stability allows more sail. While the W17 Cruising rig is about the same as the Cross 18, the so-called Race Rig has nearly 20% more sail, which is much appreciated in ...
The length-to-beam ratio (LBR) of large ocean-going vessels offers an excellent example of such technological maturity. This ratio is simply the quo - A Boat Can . ... 6-10: Large freighters, cruising trimarans, cruising catamarans, and large sailing monohulls 10-16: Fast-cruising catamarans, trimarans, and racing multihulls. Over 16 ...
Is that the overall beam, or that of the main hull. If overall, that is very narrow. You have to go back to the 1960 to find a high proportions of trimarans with beam as little as 50% of the length, and I think that limit was because of how strong a structure a home builder could be expected to build, given the design knowledge of the time.
As a rough guide, the length-to-beam ratio of a monohull superyacht in this size range is around 6:1. By comparison, the length-to-beam ratio of White Rabbit's centre hull is 13.7:1. You don't need a degree in naval architecture to know which one will use less fuel, but the truly impressive thing about White Rabbit is the engineering ...
Would love to see a picture or two - a banca is usually a very pretty boat. "Typical" beam/length ratio for much older boats is near 50% which was prox same as catamarans of the day. More recently and for higher performance boats it ranges from 67% to 75%. For racing types it goes to 100%. If you add lots of buoyancy to a banca ama , the older ...
I'm designing a 32' trimaran to build myself and with the help of friends. It will be cruiser, but trying to stay sporty and decent performance. I'll keep things bare bones to save weight. It will have a 0.8 beam to length ratio to allow a little more sail power than something narrower.
As noted above, the Froude Speed/Length ratio is very significant in boat design. Most descriptions and findings re hull resistance are directly related to it. For example it has been shown that a displacement hull creates a wave equal to its length at a S/L ratio of 1.34 and at that point, there's such a hump in the resistant curve that most ...
overall beam/length ratio of 0.30 has been used here. ... LCG. In beams seas, the trimaran has lost its length . advantage and the motions are more variable with .
Length-beam ratio. Definition. L/B = length divided by beam. Units: Dimensionless. Usually, ... Large freighters; main hulls of cruising trimarans; a few very portly cruising catamarans; the lightest and slimmest of large sailing monohulls. 10 to 16 - Fast cruising cats and tris; a few racing multihulls. ...
Folding trimaran. Beam folded: 2.5m / 8.17 ft ... Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam^1.33), where displacement is expressed in pounds, and length is expressed in feet. ... LENGTH WATERLINE (LWL): LWL is the length of the hull at the level where it sits in the water (the waterline) as measured from the bow ending at the ...
One long ton equals 2,240 pounds or 1018kg. 2. Multiply the length of waterline in feet (LWL) by 0.01. [To convert metres to feet multiply by 3.2808} 3. Cube the result. 4. Divide the result of 1 by the result of 3. The formula can be written like this: D/L = DLT (disp. long tons) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³.
However, if you want more power, amas up to 100%L and with buoyancy over 100% of the total weight will offer more power and add more speed potential, as long as the akas and their attachment to the main hull are designed with adequate strength. See this article on Aka design . As noted, I typically advise that the load on the forward aka beam ...
So 2 monohulls of L/B ratio of 15.7 forms a catamaran. The S/L is the separation (S) divided by the length (L). S/L = 0.3 means the hulls are a tad wider, S/L = 0.4 wider still and so on. So you can see 2 hulls have more resistance than 1 single monohull of an L/B greater than the 12, contrary to Gary's "beliefs".
Hull Fineness Ratio (HFR) Hull Fineness Ratio (HFR) is another name for Hull length-to-beam ratio. This is basically the same as the ratio mentioned above but only measures one of the hulls instead of the entire boat. And "fineness," essentially, means "thinness." Most cats have a ratio between 8:8 and 10:1.
While the length/beam ratio of catamaran, L BRC is between 2.2 and 3.2, a catamaran can be certified to A category if SF > 40 000 and to B category if SF > 15 000. Engine Power Requirements: P m = 4 x (m LDC /1025)P m = 28: The engine power needed for the catamaran is typically 4 kW/tonne and the motoring speed is near the hull speed.
Trimaran Performance vs Hull Form ... its speed and this is much related to its length. About 140 years ago, a William Froude discovered that up to a Speed/Length ratio (SLR)* of about 1, resistance is mostly made up of frictional resistance and in such a case, would be directly proportional to the wetted surface. ... the narrower beam of the ...
Beam. A post by me from another thread-actual beam of a number of racing catamarans. Trimarans vary from less than square to over square. For instance Hydroptere is 1.36 times as wide as it is long. The Rave, Osprey and Hobie trifoiler are over square as well.
The length to beam ratio of the main hull of this trimaran is too large, which is not a typical hull design for heavy-load planing monohull. Therefore, in order to make a comparison with trimaran, a conventional planing monohull is introduced in this section, whose L o a / ∇ 1 / 3 = 5.10 .