20-11-2022, 14:43 | |
Boat: 1985 Ericson 32-3 | it is made of. Keeping it vertical from the bottom would be really hard. If the top starts moving, the momentum and leverage will become a real problem real fast. Rather than 2 with painters poles, I'l want at least 3 people guiding it the entire time. Personally I'd make a wooden rig on the to it and provide a lift and controlled pivot point above the . Bring the top down to the ground, then lower the base. |
20-11-2022, 15:01 | |
assumes that you have an , no or and bugger all in the way of ballast. As to your specific questions, 1. I doubt that the spar is 100lbs.... but having not seen the spar, its possible. 2. Yes but not with 2 painters poles on a spear rig 3. Get 4 really big guys.... and have a backup plan if the initial plan fails 4. Tip er on the side and walk it out slowly. What exactly is a painters pole? Im sure the sailer guys will have better for you, this is a routine task for them. Do no harm, good luck. | |
20-11-2022, 15:11 | |
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar | , using our pole as a "crane" and a combination of halyards to do the hoisting. Another time we used two , one on each side of a 35 foot , to step her mast. (The other boat was Bernard's Joshua). Either way you have control of the mast and can maneuver it around safely and slowly. Jim |
20-11-2022, 15:19 | |
Boat: 1979 Bristol 35.5 CB | . Hard to heel over. And nearly every trailersailer has a deck stepped mast... for this reason. |
20-11-2022, 15:21 | |
Boat: 1979 Bristol 35.5 CB | |
20-11-2022, 15:45 | |
bucket truck rental and for little $ rent a truck with a hydraulic crane. Most of these have a capacity of 500 or 600 pounds and can lift the mast out of the boat without all of the attendant dangers mentioned above thread. Tie on to the mast above the CG and youre in control of the mast, instead of the other way around. | |
20-11-2022, 16:05 | |
Boat: Hirondelle 23 catamaran 1994 | on the 'hard', so no heeling, rafting, or bridge ideas are possible. (2) A 'painters pole' is a telescoping pole, I can strap on 3 halfway up the mast. (3 poles it is Checkswrecks, in Post 2). (3) Great idea Doug R (Post 7) I will look into a bucket truck, if it can handle the weight. (4) Also in Post2: "a wooden rig on the to it and provide a lift and controlled pivot point" Agreed, in combination with Doug R's bucket truck or, one of those 'scissors jack lifts' with some kind of pivoting wooden apparatus will be much safer. Great feedback so far. Others? |
20-11-2022, 16:54 | |
hire , usually a weight of 100kg is within reason on any one of those ladders if the tripod is correctly lashed together. I often use a tripod to lift engines out from below deck, (I avoid using booms and masts to do this. ) | |
20-11-2022, 18:20 | |
Boat: Beneteau 432, C&C Landfall 42, Roberts Offshore 38 | talking, not me, the sailor. The weight of the mast is not the issue, it's the length. Don't forget to factor in the weight of all the , probably another 100 lbs on top of the mast weight. The best way to go about this, is to build a simple A-frame, that can be positioned adjacent, but just ahead of the mast. The purpose of the A-frame is not to just to take the mast out, but also to replace it. The A-frame needs to be as high as about 6' above the spreaders, and can be position on deck or the cabin house, and the peak needs to be fitted with a block and line and the A-frame needs to be braced, once in position. You can use , line, etc, to tie it fore an aft so that it is pretty rigid and won't fall over. As the mast is not heavy, some 2x6's spliced together should do the trick to make an A-frame. Use a to pull the A-frame up. Tie the halyard to the A-frame with a loose fitting loop. Once the A-frame is in position. you should be able to loosen the halyard to allow the loop to slide down. Take the bitter end of the line coming from the peak of the A-frame, and make a loop around the mast. Pull this loop, until it comes to rest under the spreaders. I'm assuming a spreader rig here. Then undue all the shrouds and stays. Using the block and line arrangement, pull the mast up so that it exits the deck and gives you 6" or so of clear space between bottom of mast and top of deck. Seeing as you'll be dealing with 200 lbs or more, some additional hands on the line would come in handy. If this is a concern, use a line long enough that you can lead it to a , and it up. Once up, slack of the line, I trust you know how to do this slowly. Now you will need one person holding the foot of the mast and walking forward with it, while another person(s) starts to lower the mast. Co-ordination will be required. Lower the mast as the same speed the mast can be walked forward. With the loop at the spreaders, the weight of the mast will be more or less equal around this fulcrum point so should not be overly unwieldy. By the time, the foot of the mast is at the bow, the mast should be more or less level. Tie off the mast, at the bow and stern pulpits, so you can undo all the . Once all the rigging is off, you ( with friends) shoud be able to walk the mast of the boat. Leave the A-frame up, as you'll need it to put the mast bask. Trust that this gives you some guidance. As a footnote, there are rental agencies, that might be able to provide you with some or other mini-crane or lift to serve the same purpose as the A-frame. |
20-11-2022, 18:37 | |
Boat: '86 MacGregor 25 | , something like this is the right answer. If your support structure supports the mast at or above it’s center of gravity (34 ft mast, so probably about 17 ft up), that takes out 90% of the risk of disaster. |
20-11-2022, 18:42 | |
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar | |
20-11-2022, 18:51 | |
Boat: Sabre 402 | mast on our Soling with just one or two people -- but it was deck stepped. One person's job was to make sure the butt stayed in the step, while the other person walked it down. A third person could control a halyard run through an eye on the bow if they were available. On a Hirondelle, getting the butt of the mast up on the cabintop will be quite precarious - it is really up there. Getting the butt down to the ground will be even more fraught. A bucket truck or something like it (know any firefighters?) would be a much better approach. It would take less than five minutes. |
20-11-2022, 19:58 | |
Boat: Tartan 3800 | sailors, one 24' and one 26', and lowered and raised masts multiple times with them. The masts were both deck stepped with hinges and with some amount of thought given by the original designers and builders to raising and lowering the mast in a controlled way. 100 pounds sounds about right. The mast on my 26 wasn't much more from that. I could carry it on my shoulder, with effort. That said, it is my view that between the length and weight you are just beyond the point where you can reasonably muscle the mast down even with lots of good help. You need some kind of trustworthy support at or near the center of the spar. You could, for example, set up a 16' (or better, 20') piece of 4x4 (or other dimensional lumber) on deck and guy it in place, with a block at top, and put a loop around the mast and through the block to maintain control. You can screw a 1'x1' piece of to the bottom of the 4x4, and put a piece of rubber non-slip rug pad between it and the deck. Or instead of you can use mast, which is available in 5' and 10' sections with swaged ends that fit into the next session. Or 20'/21' pieces of pipe if they are available where you are. Whatever the materials, that's your gin pole. Use the gin pole to control the top of the mast, not necessarily to lift it. You can have your four muscular guys lift it, as long as you have something to control the top so it won't tip. Then one way or another you can lower it under control, though some combination of walking the foot of the mast aft or over the side, and carefully lowering the line from the gin pole around the top. Most rental bucket trucks aren't set up for hoisting, if you go this be aware of the dangers. It is very easy to be thrown out of the bucket when putting lifting force on some object and having a break or come loose leading to a sort of catapult effect. It is also easy to tip over the truck. There have been fatalities. |
20-11-2022, 23:13 | |
Boat: Schionning Waterline 1480 | person on each line, spaced at roughly 120° seperation to each other, they can follow the people with the base and can lower the top once the foot is on the ground and secured from sliding or kicking. But whatever you do....film it 🙂 |
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Privacy Guaranteed - your email is never shared with anyone, opt out any time. Chicago to Mackinac sailboat race: Storm snaps masts, tosses sailor into Lake MichiganA fast-moving summer storm Saturday night on Lake Michigan left carnage in its path after three huge sailboats snapped masts and a fourth boat had to rescue a man after he fell overboard, all in the middle of the night under total darkness during the first day of the Chicago to Mackinac race . “It was about 11:30 Eastern Time and we outpaced a couple storms. The team was getting ready … when a squall hit us. The wind picked up from about 18 knots to over 30 knots and shifted 80 degrees,” Skip Dieball, 53, of Wilmette, Illinois, a tactician racing on the 52-foot Usual Suspects, said on Sunday. “Sometimes in the daytime, you can see some of the shifts coming, the wind pattern on the water. But it was so dark we couldn’t see anything. We told each other we would prepare early. We were, and it just came really fast.” Disaster was averted after Madcap, a Santa Cruz 52 owned and skippered by John Hoskins, responded to a man overboard report from Callisto, a J/125 owned and skippered by Jim Murray. Both boats resumed racing the 333-statute-mile (289-nautical-mile) race without injury. In addition to Usual Suspects, owned by Eric Wynsma, masts broke on the 65-foot Sagamore owned by Laura and Tone Martin, along with the 45-foot Sapphire, owned by Robert Radway. No injuries were reported, according to Laura Muma, communications director for the Chicago to Mackinac race. Despite being on high alert to take down sails, the demasting events were intense. ‘Loud as the loudest thunder’As soon as the mast snapped, Dieball said the crew started doing a head count to be certain all 13 sailors were still onboard. The rig could have come down on the crew if they had been in their normal stations, but they were scattered. While the mast “broke violently,” Dieball said, “it did not come down violently.” The race boat, with its custom carbon fiber mast, strong and light but brittle, is designed for high-performance racing and often used in America’s Cup races. When the mast broke, it sounded like a “crack of thunder” immediately overhead, Dieball said. “It’s as loud as the loudest thunder.” When the mast settled, the crew had to rapidly assess next steps. The biggest fear is that the broken mast will bang against the boat and puncture a hole, Dieball said. A mast on a boat that size can be 60 or 70 feet tall, he said. “Part of your safety equipment is having cutting devices that get the mast away from the boat. The mast had broken in three different spots and it was time to start cutting things away,” Dieball said. “Carbon fiber, in many ways, is sharper than steel. We had to make sure no one was in a spot where one of the pieces would actually cut them.” So sailors took out cutting tools and knives they’re required to carry as part of the racing protocol — and sliced away rigging as fast as possible, letting material sink into the water. ‘Survival mode’Skipper Eric Wynsma, a real estate developer from Grand Rapids, had three of his grown kids racing, too. This was his 25th Chicago to Mackinac race. “We were just in survival mode,” Dieball said, cutting away for about 30 minutes. “After the (storm) cell went through, the wind died off. So it wasn’t like we were battling elements. We were into the race about nine hours, finishing about a third of the course, and we returned to Muskegon.” After stabilizing the situation, the Usual Suspects crew contacted the U.S. Coast Guard and reported debris in the water. The race boat didn’t need assistance once the rigging was cut away, Dieball said. They made certain nothing was wrapped around the propeller and Usual Suspects spent the next three hours motoring back, arriving about 5 a.m. No one was freaking out, Dieball said. “It was all business.” The costly damage prevents Usual Suspects from racing the Bayview Mackinac race from Port Huron to Mackinac, which starts Saturday. Fast Tango fights DeTourTim Prophit , of St. Clair Shores, owner and skipper of the 40-foot Fast Tango, didn’t get slammed by the storm, but his nine-member crew prepared by making sail changes and reefing the main sail for better control. “All of a sudden, the waves felt different, a different pattern, a different height. And the temps dropped,” he said Sunday while racing. “We were paying very close attention to the weather.” Fast Tango won its class and placed second overall in the Chicago to Mackinac race last year, and was the overall winner in the Port Huron to Mackinac race. This year, Fast Tango is battling the 34-foot DeTour, owned by Chuck Stormes, of Grosse Pointe Farms, no stranger to winning class and overall trophies. Christy Storms said early Sunday afternoon she couldn’t look at the tracker to see how her husband was doing. It made her crazy. She didn’t know there had been a storm, she said, thank God, or she would have been worried sick. “This is the first year I’ve been trying to not stalk him,” she said. “It’s tough looking every minute. It just makes me crazy.” Family members are known to sleep with their phones under their pillows, call and text each other every hour through the night until the race is finished.In years past, Christy Storms said, “it was like crack. It just make me so anxious.” So, she went online, noticed he was doing great, took a snapshot of the tracker, put her phone down and went to bed with their 11-year-old dog Striker. Early Monday, Prophit confirmed that Fast Tango won first in class against 11 competitors. They crossed the finish line in 41 hours, 59 minutes, 47 seconds. Chaos on other boats, tooFollowing the storm, 15- to 20-knot southerly winds continued to propel the 247-boat fleet north, Muma said in the race update. While mast loss made headlines with sailing reporters, other boats had serious issues that went unreported. And they kept going, hoping for the best. Mark DenUyl, of Marysville, Michigan, owner and skipper of the 34.5-foot Good Lookin’, watched his carbon fiber bowsprit snap in half during the high winds right about 11:30 p.m. Saturday. Now it’s held together with electrical tape and sail tape. Crew member Brennan Churchill, 22, texted his dad at home in Kimball, Michigan, with an update on the damaged equipment used to extend the sail, so it captures more wind. “He knew better than to tell his mother,” Tracy Heany Churchill said Sunday. “He knows I go into freakout mode.” Ron Churchill always sails with his son, who won his first Mackinac race at age 15, but Ron couldn’t leave work as a senior operations manager for a natural gas storage facility to do both the Chicago and Port Huron races to Mackinac. “I feel like I’m lost right now. I just feel like I’m supposed to be there,” Ron Churchill said Sunday. Brennan Churchill described the boat tipping so far to one side that the crew was in waist-deep water, his father said. “Everybody stayed on the boat. Water was washing over them.” The sudden gust of wind created such force that it likely flexed and snapped, he said. As a result of the damage, the crew held steady until daylight to try and figure out what to do, Churchill said. “They did a good job with just staying composed and keeping the boat moving well.” On Monday morning, Good Lookin’ crossed the finish line in third in class against a dozen other J/105 boats despite damage to critical equipment. Cara DenUyl and her 19-year-old daughter, Riley, woke up at 5:30 a.m. Monday to watch online the Good Lookin’ finish. “It was a nail-biter. It was close between second and third. They were in second place at 2 a.m. Sunday, when that storm hit. Then they fell back all the way to seventh place. At the time, we didn’t know the storm had hit. Somehow they got everything fixed enough to keep going, thankfully. I feel relief that they made the podium.” ‘Breathtaking’ speedWith storms come great wind. Or, in sailor speak, great air. Winn Soldani, race chair of the Chicago to Mackinac race, said this weekend’s storms brought “epic” conditions that weather models predicted, which is important for safety. “We’re watching boats going 20 knots, or about 23 mph, and it’s breathtaking,” Soldani told Shifting Gears from the finish line near the Mission Point hotel on Mackinac Island on Sunday. “When the squalls hit, the wind changed direction very rapidly, from out of the south to out of the west, at 33 to 35 mph,” he said. “Some of these sails are the size of tennis courts. They’re huge. So this changes pressure on the mast.” That’s what causes masts to snap, Soldani said. Strict safety protocols protect the 2,200 sailors racing this year, and that’s why they’re required to wear special tracking devices on their bodies at all times. Storm winds create record-setting conditionsAs a result of the strong winds, this race broke the speed record. The 80-foot Maverick finished in 22 hours, 24 minutes, 23 seconds, breaking a record set 22 years ago by 66 minutes, 11 seconds. Sanford Burris, of Kirtland, Ohio, sailed with his sons and friends on the carbon fiber Andrews 80 they have spent the past three years upgrading, according to Muma. The 20-person crew included Rodney Keenan, founder of Evolution Sails. “The team celebrated briefly as the Maverick team crossed the race to Mackinac finish line between Mackinac Island and the Round Island lighthouse … and then kept on sailing,” said the Chicago to Mackinac news release. Maverick is one of 25 sailboats registered for this year’s “Super Mac” race, a combination of the Chicago Mackinac and the Bayview Mackinac races, which means they will continue into Lake Huron, heading south to Port Huron, for a total of 565 statute miles (495 nautical miles). More: Star Line Mackinac Island Ferry Co. sells to Florida billionaire Phoebe Wall Howard, a Free Press auto reporter for nearly seven years, now writes a column on car culture, consumer trends and life that will appear periodically on Freep.com and in print. Those columns and others will appear on her Substack at https://phoebewallhoward.substack.com/about Contact her at [email protected]. ![]()
Single Handed Mast Stepping without a Crane![]()
I am curious to hear some thoughts, tricks and tips with regards to stepping and unstepping a mast on a small boat (Less than 25 feet) without a crane, single handed, or with only the help of a small child. I have done some research and actually gone, looked at a few systems, and even own a beach cat with a mast raising system, but I want to hear from others what their favorite methods and gear are. Below are some of my thoughts in point form. -A pin through the base of the mast/mast step for the mast to pivot up on seems pretty well a must. -Not all small sailboats have a pin, in fact lots don't, I wonder why? -Gin poles always seem to work great in articles and on Youtube, but in practice, it seems really hard to keep the mast from flopping over port to starboard and causing all kinds of damage. -Systems where the mast itself folds seem only to be on boats that weren't intended to sail well -I saw an interesting A-Frame system recently that bolts onto the boats Toe-Rail, looked pretty good, but it wasn't something that you can bring with you on the boat. -I Have seen trailers with tall poles, again, can't bring those with you on the boat. My son and I plan to sail up the Rideau Canal this summer to Ottawa for Canadas 150 th. There are 8 fixed bridges under 22 feet on the canal. We could motor, but that's not the point. We have not yet bought the boat for this trip, but there are pretty well no boats we're interested in with a mast less than 22 feet. ![]() Arcb said: -Gin poles always seem to work great in articles and on Youtube, but in practice, it seems really hard to keep the mast from flopping over port to starboard and causing all kinds of damage. Click to expand... ![]() I'm assuming it's a deck stepped mast. Whatever you do, make sure you have 2 things: 1. mast bottom or step is hinged and will not 'jump out' of position 2. you raise the mast using standard trailer winch that allows even a small kid to fully control mast up and down movement. I attach a block on top of mast support pole on my trailer, and run the trailer winch cable through it (it is a separate winch only used for raising mast). I use the main halyard coupled with the winch cable to raise the mast. Once the mast is in position, I attach the bow shroud and I'm done. My helper only cranks the winch on my command as I hole the mast to prevent it from moving sideways. Thanks for bringing this up, I will soon have this challenge plus a dozen more. My S2 has a 35' mast. Yes... in over my head a bit, seems that I deliberately seek out daunting challenges to add color to life. Have three stout aluminum poles that are each 8' long and screw to one another. Need to make an attachment for the tip that allows control of the mast. Leverage can be the enemy of the single hander, or the friend. Looking forward to some tips... Shnool.....can we get an estimate of the weight of the mast on your S2? Seems to be a sturdily built boat which helps explain the original prices, on the higher side, for a boat with a pretty spartan cockpit. It seems like I could possibly use a winch on my truck to keep things from getting out of control. ColoGuy said: Shnool.....can we get an estimate of the weight of the mast on your S2? Seems to be a sturdily built boat which helps explain the original prices, on the higher side, for a boat with a pretty spartan cockpit. It seems like I could possibly use a winch on my truck to keep things from getting out of control. Click to expand... ![]() All else equal, you will have more difficulty doing this on the water, than on a trailer. My C22 had a mast pin that had a bit of play in it. This results in a bit of wobble going up, but, unless your mast hinge is very robust, might prevent damage where the pin goes through the mast. Great pics guys, Schnool, your Aframe looks very attractive. Just to clarify a couple of points, for my situation, the plan is to keep the boat in a slip, mast stepped %80+ of the time. However, my goal is to trailer sail it for roughly 1x2week vacation per year. This particular year, the plan is to do the big Canada Day celebration in the Capital (I already have my seasonal lockage permit). So basically, launch the boat in the spring. Week end/evening sail it out of it's slip. Then when my summer vacation comes, unstep mast, load boat on trailer. Sail boat 125 miles through inland water way. Watch the fire works on parliament hill. Put boat back on trailer, then sail it out of slip on week ends/evenings until November/December. The hitch is, for the vacation this year I have these 8 bridges in my way. My thoughts are I don't need to completely drop the mast to pass under a 22' bridge, just rake it back by 45 degrees or so. As for the boat, I haven't purchased it yet, but I'm only looking at deck stepped models with a maximum size of about 25', however, I am considering boats as small as 18'. Certainly a Catalina 22 style of boat is an option I'm considering. Indeed, part of my boat selection criteria is based on ease of mast stepping. I was wondering about the tree branch option. There are some big maples at my local boat ramp. Just toss the tow cable on my SUV over a branch, and boom, I've got an electric crane. I'd have to figure out a way to get some chaffing gear over the branch so I didn't damage the tree. However, my hopes are this thread will be useful for other folks pondering mast stepping issues as well. Here is a map and list of bridges I need to contend with. http://www.rideau-info.com/canal/map-waterway.html http://www.rideau-info.com/canal/statistics.html ![]() Arcb said: The hitch is, for the vacation this year I have these 8 bridges in my way. My thoughts are I don't need to completely drop the mast to pass under a 22' bridge, just rake it back by 45 degrees or so. As for the boat, I haven't purchased it yet, but I'm only looking at deck stepped models with a maximum size of about 25', however, I am considering boats as small as 18'. Certainly a Catalina 22 style of boat is an option I'm considering. Indeed, part of my boat selection criteria is based on ease of mast stepping. Click to expand... Arcb said: We've booked off 17 days to do this trip, so I'm figuring with messing around with boats and trailers that leaves me 14 days on the water (we plan to only do a one way transit on the canal and trailer back). So our goal is only 9 miles/day on average. So I think it's possible. Click to expand... ![]() Our Nor'sea has a mast rising/lower system. The boom is used as the gin pole. The foot of the mast is angled, the tabernacle is slotted so the bolt rides up/down. The mast is lower forward with the aft lower shrouds disconnected, other stays/shrouds loosened. The aft end of the boom is attached to the upper chain plates via wire cables. This attachment point A is even horizontally with the tabernacle via an extension of the upper shrouds that is permanently mounted. The main halyards, I use all three halyards when doing this, are attached to the end of the boom. There are two other cables, port/starboard, attached to point A that led aft to pad eyes. Once all the cables and halyards are attached, the backstay is undone, I walk forward with the mani sheet in hand and pull on the forestay which pulls the mast forward and start the lower process. The main sheet controls decent, the cables on the end of the boom and upper and forward lower stays stabilizes the mast side to side. The biggest problem is attaching the boom to the mast when rising. The boom is 13 feet long. Right now it takes two people, one to hold the boom and the other to insert the bolt into the gooseneck fitting. I have thought about building a boot of some kind that would fit around the mast that would hold the boom. The other problem is sliding the mast forward. I have a roller on the bow rail which helps but the mast has to lifted when the deck/steaming light and spreaders come up to that roller. Google has an image of this system here: https://www.google.com/search?q=nor...UIBigB&biw=1583&bih=923#imgrc=Q9UuVvi5Jt2y5M: ![]() The above examples are all excellent- SHNOOL's A-frame system is nicely done. My father has a Seaward 23 (~30 foot mast) that gets raised and lowered once per year when the boat is pulled for the winter. He has a gin pole (mounted just forward of the mast) and uses the mainsheet to raise/lower. He has added baby stays on the side of his mast to keep it from swaying in the breeze. I will stress that baby stays are essential unless you have a second hand to hold the mast in column as it goes up. Even then, baby stays are helpful. His run from the mast track to stanchion bases. In my opinion, using the baby stays are essential if using a gin pole. As for doing this on the water, I wouldn't want to raise/lower my mast on the water much even on my 19 foot boat with a tabernacle. One little wave and you've ripped the mounting plate out of the deck. Some boats such as Compac Eclipse/Horizon might be easier, but I wouldn't want to be doing it too often. ![]() I use a gin pole on my Chrysler 26. I always raise the mast solo. There is no flopping about at all. I have the mast in control at all times. The key is to have the gin pole, and the mast stayed. I use 4 tie down straps. 2 on the mast (I attached some padeyes about 6 feet up on each side), 2 on the gin pole. If something is leaning to one side, I just tighten the opposite strap. My mast is mounted to a hinge plate from Dweyer. kenr74 said: The key is to have the gin pole, and the mast stayed. I use 4 tie down straps. 2 on the mast (I attached some padeyes about 6 feet up on each side), 2 on the gin pole. If something is leaning to one side, I just tighten the opposite strap. My mast is mounted to a hinge plate from Dweyer. Click to expand... fallard said: If the OP is OK with an 18' boat, he might consider an 18' Marshall or 19' Menger catboat that is set up with a mast tabernacle. Click to expand... SVAuspicious said: The only minor thing I can offer to what others have said is that working from a belay point across the dock on the opposite finger helped a lot although obviously required a longer line.... ...The idea of raking the mast back is a good one, but not as easy as it might seem. A friend of mine has a 60' ketch (yes much bigger). I don't recall the air draft - 76' I think. The boat is rigged to lay the main mast back to fit under 65' bridges on the ICW ...You'll have a great time. It sounds like a great plan. Click to expand... To Schnools point about mast raising taking time, it does seriously impinge on just showing up, splashing the boat, and sailing off into the sunset but like anything the real trick it to develop a procedure, follow the procedure, note shortcomings in the procedure, amend the procedure etc etc etc until you have a system that takes launching and mast raising from being an "event" to being a "process". It's tough to do that since, lets be honest, we are all lazy when it comes to our hobbies and we don't really want to sit there and act all businessman Bob about things that are supposed to be fun but if you want to trailer well, it really does make all the difference. My boat is likely quite a bit more complex than most trailer sailers both in systems as well as physical size but I can, like Schnool, be up, sails bent, and pulling away from the courtesy dock in about 1.5 hours. Not smooth enough to make me want to weekend somewhere but quick enough that I can plan to drive all day, pull into the ramp a little before sunset and know that I can sleep on the hook instead of in the parking lot. If I was doing the trip you are talking about in my boat I would probably drop the mast coming up to the first bridge and leave it down till I passed the same bridge going back. As it happens, I have a Yanmar diesel that seems to derive it's power from the collective happiness of passing birds or something because no matter how much I motor, I really don't ever seem to use any fuel. Aswayze said: If I was doing the trip you are talking about in my boat I would probably drop the mast coming up to the first bridge and leave it down till I passed the same bridge going back Click to expand... ![]() Good posts by all, but if a picture is worth a thousand words, a video would be even better. I especially like the idea of the boom as the gin pole. However, now I'm concerned since my stays are on spreaders. I just bought a '73 Coronado 23-2, so I'll be figuring this all out soon. Practice in my driveway first with some of these ideas. I grew up sailing a Chrysler Mutineer 15' so we could just walk the mast up (although it had a lot of mast for so small a boat). ![]() If the OP is OK with an 18' boat, he might consider an 18' Marshall or 19' Menger catboat that is set up with a mast tabernacle. One advantage of a gaff-rigged boat is that the mast is not as high as that of an 18' sloop. Catboats are beamier and heavier than sloops of the same length, so it would be fair to compare a Menger 19 to a Catalina 22 in that regard. Raising and lowering the mast can be a one-man job and doesn't necessarily require the winch shown in this video: . I had an 18' catboat for many years that had a keel-stepped mast. I stepped and unstepped that mast in the water, without mechanical assist, but it required 2 adult males and had its risks. The deck-step with tabernacle is the way to go, whatever the boat, if you want to be independent of gin poles, A-frames, and such. ![]() Most has been said - but I can raise a couple of points; It seems far easier and safer when the boat is in the water, rather than perched high on a trailer. Human nature is to get the mast raising done first while on land, but that is more difficult and dangerous. Make sure you always close all hatches and keep awareness of where you step. The Cat 22 has available from Catalina a rear mast crutch with rollers which is very helpful. It slips into the rudder pintles and gets you up that first bit, from where afterwards you just basically do the Iwo Jima thing or winch it up or use the jib halyard. Its very helpful to have a quick connect or even just an extra shakle on the front stay to give you a temporary hold. . Leave the lower rear stays on for side stability and the rear stay is always left on. Its is usually awkward, stressful and exhausting, especially if the sun is high and hot. Hard to see the inevitable fouled halyards and stays. 2 people minimum. I have the Cat 22. For the record, I know we've moved on to lowering the mast while underway (something I know is done, but I don't know I'd want to advise how to do frankly only because I've not done it)... but I thought I'd add that I'm about 3 weeks away from launching my keel stepped Wavelength 24. As I stated before, I may go one of 2 ways to get the stick up, either using a branch across our launch ramp, or by building an A-frame Crane. Either way I thought I'd let you folks know when I do this, I'll get pictures and add it to this thread. I think the OP hit on a very important topic, that covers a lot of territory, and needs. If I can cover what are essentially the 2 types of trailer sailors with pictures for stepping deck, and keel stepped masts, great. If others will also add how they'd approach lowering for bridges/overpasses with pictures we might just have a "Sticky" thread that will answer questions for most trailerable boats, and mast (un)stepping for various situations. Because of the "danger" involved it should be noted that each of us has an obligation to test our "methods" in a controlled environment as best we can. Any method used should take into account safety of those using it. Example. If my rig fails... the mast drops away from me! Yep, I'll lose and expensive rig. I'll walk away mad, and cursing, but not injured. To me the best system is one where nobody can easily get hurt. ![]() I have a Catalina 22 and I raise and lower my mast almost by myself. I need an assistant for about five minutes and all they do is hold a line. I do this on the trailer, I've never tried it in the water but I imagine it would work there too. The base of the mast is pinned to a plate at the mast step, so this acts as a hinge. The head of the mast rests on the rear crutch that Sal mentioned, so it's already a good ways up in the air. I connect a non-stretch line to the forestay, run it through the spinnaker block (a block on the stem fitting would work too), back along the deck, around a winch a couple times, and down to the ground. I stand up on the cockpit benches, one foot on each, and walk the mast up until I'm at the companionway. This is where the assistant comes in. Someone has to pull the line taught and hold it. Since it's wrapped around the winch it doesn't really take any strength. While the assistant is holding the line which keeps the mast from dropping, I scramble up to the cabin roof, then walk the mast the rest of the way up. I then grab the forestay, disconnect the line and connect it to the stem fitting. Done! ![]() Some of my first experience on keelboats was at a sailing club's day trips that started with bridges and a lock; this required stepping and un-stepping the mast 2x each day under sail while under tow. The Rhodes 19s were fitted with a removable crutch in a special fitting at the stern and, crucially, a pivot installed in the mast just above the deck. The backstay was adjustable and the forestay was detachable; you'd put the forestay pin back in place and then tighten the backstay. No winches on the boats so it was all done by hand. It was really simple and the course where you learned how to do it was just a talk about the procedure and then running through a demonstration one time and then you're "rated" for the procedure. I'm tall and strong but after a dozen times going through the process I could un-rig or re-rig the boat in 10 minutes solo. Putting it back up easy; the annoying part about dropping the mast solo was the back stay inevitably got wet. I meant to make a video of this but they discontinued the trips through the canal and out into the harbor. These videos have a few quick shots of what it looked like (mostly at the start): I appreciate all your feedback on the docking video a while ago: if you want I can go and try to take some pictures of the hardware and see if they have any old materials on the procedure. Unfortunately the hardware might be gone; as I said they discontinued these trips several years ago. Savvy, that sounds like an interesting sailing class, a lock and a bridge on every trip. Sounds like you got you money's worth! OK I will have to take off the tabernacle that is on there now. Didn't want to do that but maybe it is necessary, I heard that the Chrysler system is not too safe. I thought that the hole in the end of the Boom was for something, now I know for sure. Also there is an eye 7' up from the bottom of the mast on the front. Was this for a Spinnaker or something else? Skipper Dan said: I thought that the hole in the end of the Boom was for something, now I know for sure. Also there is an eye 7' up from the bottom of the mast on the front. Was this for a Spinnaker or something else? Click to expand... Nice find Sal, that's not too far from me, might be worth a detour. Okay, I found and purchased a suitable boat with a suitable mast raising system for my trip. She's a Bay Hen 21. Being an unstayed Gaff head Cat rig, her mast is quite short, I should be able to sail under most of the bridges and for the ones I can't, I can quickly drop the mast, row under the bridge, and put the mast back up on the other side. I think I'll go with long oars and do the trip engineless. I shot this film in my drive way this morning showing the mast stepping procedure. Before I post it, I will say, this is my first time doing this, just had the users manual for direction and was supervising a 2 1/2 year old while I was figuring it all out, so I think I did okay, but there is certainly room for improvement.
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I think many people are assuming a sailboat without a mast behaves the same as a sailboat without any sails up and it's completely different. But this is all based on personal and a rather limited selection, but wide ranging type of boats (from a 27' sloop to a 58' hermaphrodite brig). 1979 Cherubini Raider 33.
A true trawler design power boat will be equally if not more fuel efficient than a sailboat. Also, a sailboat without a mast, if you take it anywhere other that dead calm water like the Erie Canal, will roll like crazy and be very uncomfortable. And as pointed out, adding a mast and rigging to a sailboat without can be quite expensive and changing from the original rig to a different one, like ...
Despite what you may be hearing or reading, a sailboat will act the same with or without a mast in place. A big difference can be felt when sails are up. If you had a sailboat that had been de-rigged and took it out on the lake under power and it had correct ballast and whatever keel that was on the boat was in tact it would handle just the same as it would with a naked mast erected.
Posts: 2,898. Re: Buying/using a sailboat without a mast. A tabernacle mast is what you want. The mast can be lowered and raised usually without a crane. Your budget will be sufficient to find something fairly decent in the 30 to 34 foot range that won't need much, if any, major work to be safe and ready to sail.
371. #33 · Aug 30, 2012. JonEisberg said: Hmmm, I certainly hope no one considering doing the Loop in a cruising sailboat is taking these numbers from that link seriously: A 32' to 36' (live a-board size) Sailboat might be rated for a 10 to 25hp engine and have a 10 mph fuel burn rate of 0.4 to 0.8 gallons per hour.
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1,527. Hunter 27_75-84 Sandusky Harbor Marina, Ohio. Nov 2, 2019. #3. Our experience on our h27 (going to another port for specialized repairs) and our friends' h30 (a week on the Trent Severn, crossing Lake Ontario, and a couple of days on the Erie Canal): The long mast has a lot of angular momentum, and significantly reduces boat motion.
Sailboats require a mast primarily to support the sails. It holds the sails in an elevated position, allowing them to catch the wind effectively. Without a mast, the sails would lack the means to be raised and positioned to harness the power of the wind. There are a few other important jobs that the mast plays:
Deck-Stepped Masts. Deck-stepped masts rest on the deck of the boat, making them easier to install and remove. They are commonly found on smaller sailboats and are more forgiving in terms of maintenance. However, they may offer slightly less stability than keel-stepped masts.
A sailboat without a mast, switch to kiteboat! Peter Renssen is a Dutchman, passionate about sailing and kitesurfing who decided to launch a new kiteboat, easy to handle. With the Kitetender, he wants to "dust off" the image of sailing and make sailing easier by providing new sensations.
The mast and keel are dependent on each other to make the boat roll gently. Without the stick, the boat will be stiff and jerky. Wave action will make the boat roll, but without the mast to counterbalance the keel, the underwater pendulum will force itself down faster and mercilessly. Its going to behave a tad insensitively, yet very stable.
Its absolutely possible to pull the mast. And it is also true that the motion of sailboats is designed for the mass of the mast to be above the boat. The weight in the keel is there mostly to offset that as well as to work with that. If you remove the mast, you will have a lot of unnecessary weight in the boat that will change how she behaves.
Reaction score. 30. #41 · Sep 1, 2012 (Edited) A dismasted sailboat (keelboat) will be adversely affected. This is a well-established fact as discovered and confirmed by some of the leading minds in sailing while investigating the Fastnet '79 disaster. Think of a metronome. Now remove the counterweight and cut the long stem off.
one mast. triangular mainsail (called a Bermuda sail) a foresail (also called the jib) fore-and-aft rigged. medium-sized (12 - 50 ft) Fore-and-aft rigged just means "from front to back". This type of rigging helps to sail upwind. Any sailboat with one mast and two sails could still be a sloop.
The rigger climbed the mast and set a strap 2/3rds up the mast this caused the mast to stay vertical when lifted. Once secure hanging from the crane, the standing shrouds/stays were released. The forestay and furler were released and bound to the mast. All the wires were undone a the units and snaked to beneath the mast.
The mast step is nearly in-line with the tops of the stanchions, so the cords rotate around the same pivot point as the mast and the boom. If your sailboat doesn't have the same style of gooseneck fitting as a Catalina 22 or you can't use your boom for some other reason but you do have a spinnaker pole, you might be able to use it instead ...
4170 posts · Joined 2013. #5 · Apr 9, 2013 (Edited) At one time I was using my Holder 14 (without the mast, sails, dagger board and rudder) with a 5HP outboard. Since the motor mount on this boat is off-center, it was prudent for me to sit on the opposite side of the mount to balance the boat better. The boat was stable and quite fast.
In Brittany, small, ie 18-20 ft, sailing boats without their rigs are very commonly used for inshore work. If using an outboard for propulsion, it wouldn't be too difficult to add fuel storage, one or more extra tanks with their own fuel lines, perhaps. Re: Sailboat without rigging. Sounds like a ok project.
A sailboat mast is a tall pole that is attached to the deck. It helps secure the sail's length to the boat and upholds the sail's structure. A sailboat mast is the most defining characteristic of a sailboat, helping keep the sail in place. What's amazing about it is that it can even be taller than the vessel's length!
However, the boat's mast was dug deep in the sand and it would not budge."The boat has been in sailing races all over the world and was the owner's pride and joy," they said. "Eric would very much ...
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I have a 34 foot carbon fiber mast on a 23 ft LOA Hirondelle with an aero-rig. The boat is currently resting on the ground. A heavy fiberglass 'Yard' can be separated from the mast.I used an internet 'tube mass' calculator on the internet and approximated the weight of the carbon fiber mast alone at 100lbs. The mast is stepped on the cabin floor. I want to remove the mast by pulling it out ...
Both boats resumed racing the 333-statute-mile (289-nautical-mile) race without injury. In addition to Usual Suspects, owned by Eric Wynsma, masts broke on the 65-foot Sagamore owned by Laura and ...
That is a Capri 25, with a hinged mast step. Its a deck stepped mast, and the mast is 31 feet off the deck. The mast in question is a masthead rig, with 2 lowers and an upper. The Capri 25 is a fixed keel boat with a spade rudder (no pintles). To accomplish this, the forward lowers ONLY and forestay have been removed.