The Bestevaer 49 is designed by Gerald Dykstra and built by KM Yachts - very accomplished and renowned for its .
The Orino 49 is designed by Kees van de Stadt at Yacht Design (no relation to van de Stadt Design) and built by Gebroeders van Enkhuizen - also accomplished, smaller yard than KM Yachts, with more experience building in than aluminum.
I have closely followed this forums discussions on pilothouses and the building of Noelex77s Bestevaer 49 - truly outstanding.
I am interested in thoughts on how the Bestevaer 49 and Orion 49 might compare in terms of sailing performance, long-term livability, and sturdiness?
Thank you.
05-09-2021, 03:28
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
05-09-2021, 04:33
Boat: Bestevaer.
. The planning is a very exciting time, almost as good as gradually seeing your wishes come to life as the build progresses.
I don't know about the relative performance sailing differences between the Orion and the Bestevaer. The Bestevaer and I imagine the Orion are custom boats, which means you can specify anything you want. Thinner or thicker aluminium, fixed, lifting or swing with multitude of drafts, different sail plans with aluminium or carbon spars. The ends (bow and stern can be left bare keeping weight at a minimum or fitted out increasing the accommodation) etc etc. These decisions will make more difference to sailing performance than any fundamental difference between the models, which on paper look otherwise very similar.
Building a custom yacht is huge commitment in time and so sit down with each and make sure you are comfortable with their approach. You also need to look very carefully at other boats they have built, crawl around in the hidden areas and assess the quality of the . If you are serious, boatbuilders often encourage you to talk directly with the as part of the build process. They will be the best people to discuss the expected performance differences.
Good luck. Send me a private message if you have any specific questions.
05-09-2021, 13:39
05-09-2021, 13:59
The Orino 49 is designed by Kees van de Stadt at Yacht Design (no relation to van de Stadt Design) and built by Gebroeders van Enkhuizen - also accomplished, smaller yard than KM Yachts, with more experience building in than aluminum.
I have closely followed this forums discussions on pilothouses and the building of Noelex77s Bestevaer 49 - truly outstanding.
I am interested in thoughts on how the Bestevaer 49 and Orion 49 might compare in terms of sailing performance, long-term livability, and sturdiness?
Thank you.
05-09-2021, 17:31
06-09-2021, 21:16
Boat: Custome Open BOC 50' cutter rig
when the keel is extended it leaves a slot that acts like a sailing with a bucket tied to it as the slots have proven to reduce the performance of the boats that have swinging keels. I would go for fixed keel enclosed in Aluminium as I have on my boat the lead is encased and keep is one solid structure not independent of the boat's build. In its all about time and finally personal taste. Good luck with your up and coming, exciting adventure into semi custom boat building.
PS, one last word, go or the boat with the lightest . As a reference, my boat is a 50' Aluminium, is 8.5 tons. Granted, it does not have a pilothouse, however that should not add too much to the displacement, in my experience I would aim for a design around 10 to 12 tons max 12.5 tons. You will enjoy sparkling performance.
The Orino 49 is designed by Kees van de Stadt at Satellite Yacht Design (no relation to van de Stadt Design) and built by Gebroeders van Enkhuizen - also accomplished, smaller yard than KM Yachts, with more experience building in steel than aluminum.
I have closely followed this forums discussions on pilothouses and the building of Noelex77s Bestevaer 49 - truly outstanding.
I am interested in thoughts on how the Bestevaer 49 and Orion 49 might compare in terms of sailing performance, long-term livability, and sturdiness?
Thank you.
06-09-2021, 23:27
Boat: Dix 43 HD
tana vika for an alternative - its a dudley dix design which I like. Dudley can give you more details if you are interested
Wayne
07-09-2021, 02:41
Boat: Custome Open BOC 50' cutter rig
07-09-2021, 19:45
07-09-2021, 20:13
Boat: Custome Open BOC 50' cutter rig
08-09-2021, 04:49
is german only (but the page has a link to ask for an pdf). Quite interesting technology-wise. -- If I had the funds I'd go for a Bestevaer/KM yacht (btw. the open yards promises to be interesting, Vinson, hint hint..).
08-09-2021, 05:32
Boat: Owner built 60 Aluminum Expedition Yacht.
and arrangement. We added a large permanent for and a bench seat just forward of the mizzenmast. I would never own a after living with all the advantages of twin keels. Mark and his manatee crew of professional boatbuilders.
08-09-2021, 23:25
, although I think boats by still be a few years away. The BM 49 Pilothouse that was featured on the no-frills-sailing.com is also interesting ( ).
is german only (but the page has a link to ask for an pdf). Quite interesting technology-wise. -- If I had the funds I'd go for a Bestevaer/KM yacht (btw. the open yards promises to be interesting, Vinson, hint hint..).
08-09-2021, 23:37
and arrangement. We added a large permanent for and a bench seat just forward of the mizzenmast. I would never own a after living with all the advantages of twin keels. Mark and his manatee crew of professional boatbuilders.
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