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The Kady Krogens are true hulls -- soft chine, deep forefoot, aft. They will not plane at all, they will roll freely at times, and they have long range -- usually 1000 miles or more. screw in the smaller sizes, but I think the new 55 has twin screws.
The Selenes are more of a semi-displacement . I believe they are hard chine, and have flattish sections aft that will allow them to exceed hull speeds given sufficient . They are likely to have a quicker roll than the Kadey Krogens, and some people would not consider them to be as ultimately . My guess is the Selenes are almost as as Kadey Krogens, but I would probably go for a Nordhavn if I was planning trans ocean passages. I believe Selenes are available in or twin screw options, but I may be mistaken on that.
I will say the big Kadey Krogen -- the 55 I think -- is probably quite capable of ocean-crossing passages in and relative comfort.
For coastal cruising either one would be pretty good, but I look at the big, high-sided Kadey Krogen 48's and wonder how much of a handful they would be to maneuver and in typical given the single screw and massive topsides. I sometimes think that people buy like the Kadey Krogens because they like the salty "look" and then use them for short-range coastal cruising where a twin-screw powerboat would be handier and better suited to that type of .
I'd love to hear if you buy one and what made you decide on it. Good Luck!
John S.
Jamestown, RI | | | | | 25-01-2010, 21:53 | | Boat: Devlin 48 Moon River & Marshal Catboat
| for coastal cruising. both twin and single types. I would consider one of the many downeast(lobster) types or tugs (a relatively fast semi dislacement hull) or just a good twin semidislacement or planning. The krogan and salines have the shipy look but they are big bulky high out of the boats difficult to deal with around docks is some ways more of a block house-but the ladies just love all that room and . great boats to go aboard at a . Just consider that the average at 3/4ths the size is imenently more seaworthy. | | | | | 28-01-2010, 05:41 | | Boat: Wittholz 40
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| | | | | 02-02-2010, 17:06 | | Boat: Devlin 48 Moon River & Marshal Catboat
| show-comes with twin motors is a tried and tested design and well priced as new or used against krogan and saline both of which I boarded and not so impressed with. | | | | | 09-03-2012, 08:06 | | Boat: 50ft mono hull. SOLD!!
| | 12-03-2012, 07:41 | | | | our single (280HP Cummins) Selene 47 (50ft overall) typically averages about 2.5nmpg. We carry 900 gallons for a range (to empty!!!) of about 2,500 statute miles. The hull configuration is close to full displacement (??) and is very seaworthy as we have proven over many rough trips. Typically we at 7.5 to 8.0kts, with a max. of 9.5 to 10kts. The vessel weighs about 65,000lbs. | | | | | 13-03-2012, 08:35 | | Boat: 50ft mono hull. SOLD!!
| | our single (280HP Cummins) Selene 47 (50ft overall) typically averages about 2.5nmpg. We carry 900 gallons for a range (to empty!!!) of about 2,500 statute miles. The hull configuration is close to full displacement (??) and is very seaworthy as we have proven over many rough trips. Typically we at 7.5 to 8.0kts, with a max. of 9.5 to 10kts. The vessel weighs about 65,000lbs. | | 13-03-2012, 08:48 | | Boat: 14 meter sloop
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Krogen pro: comes standard with a John Deere , which I prefer over the Selene's Cummins.
Selene pro: Divinicell above the waterline.
Were I forced to choose between the two, I'd probably opt for the Selene. It would make me feel less remorse about not having purchased the Nordhavn. | | | | | 13-03-2012, 08:58 | | Boat: 50ft mono hull. SOLD!!
| | | | | | 13-03-2012, 11:41 | | Boat: Krogen 58' Xiao Xiu
| . I have vistedd the yards that build the Krogen, Nordhavn and Selene (Selene owns its own yard in Shenzen, China). We even went to the extent of working with Bill on a custom design. We ended up with the Krogen and could not be more pleased.
Let's face it-both boats are decently built and with anything 45' and up, you prety much cruise anywhere in the world. That said, to me there is little comparison between the two. In past years, Selene did have quality-control issues. Anything more than about 4-5 years old may be an interesting boat to own-wiring issues, issues among others. Their wuality has improved over the last 5 years, but to me at least, has not matched either the Nordhavn or the Krogen yet. Selenes sell at least in part on the difference of 20-25%. In some measure, that difference is reflected in quality. W
If you want a boat built to the best quality from the up, go with the Krogen. Their support is great, you can always call them and get help or just smooze.
On the , if you are going , the Krogen is a far more comfortable boat. Both will make long crossings, but the hull shape of the Krogen makes for a much more comfortable ride, especially in a following sea. As to the comments here about windage, it is not nearly as much of a problem as you might think. The Krogen is solid glass below the waterline, with reinforcement in strategic places (bow, etc), but cored and quite light topsides. It does not have nearly the profile of a Nordhavn. With twins and a bow thruster, close quarters handling is superb. I agree with the commenter on the Deeres. Great engines and not a lick of problems, run forever and relatively easy to take care of and again, good support.
In short, if $$ is an issue, go with the Selene, if is not the issue, go with the better boat-Krogen. You will not be sorry. | | | | | 13-03-2012, 12:00 | | | | numbers for our Selene. We burn on average 2.5gph for a typical 3nmpg at 7.5kt. Hence max range with 900 gallons computes to 2,700nm.
Obviously, engine HP, speed, and tank capacity are critical factors in figuring cruising range. We tend to go from one "cheapest" to the next "cheapest" diesel several hundred miles away!! Now costs about $3,500 to fill up, but is still not a major factor in terms of overall costs.
Having been offshore in good blows (50kt) and rough (12ft) seas, the boat is far better at handling these conditions than my wife!! | | | | | 14-03-2012, 09:12 | | Boat: 50ft mono hull. SOLD!!
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And beautiful to, with very long legs. "With fuel capacity of 2100 gallons, at a speed of 9 knots, a rate of 5.1 gph gives a 3,500 nautical mile range. Slow her down to 8 knots and fuel burn drops to 2.9gph, resulting in a 5,000 mile range. So how low can you go? At 6.5 knots without generators and with 10% fuel reserve, she will burn 1 gallon per hour and journey more than 13,000 miles! OK compromise – run one gennie and shorten the trip to 8,000 nautical miles. Transoceanic indeed." | | | | | 26-03-2012, 21:49 | | Boat: Hatteras 58LRC extended 64' "Moana Hale"
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